Stephen Leather's Private Dancer

[siamcutey]

A Great Read on the Thai Entertainment Love Scene

219 pages in the pdf version and 21 pages into reading, this book deserves some mention.
www.stephenleather.com

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[siamcutey]

The Sponsor, The Girl, and the Thai Gigolo.

The story brews......

hahaha
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[siamcutey]

"Chan Rak Khun Ja Dai"

I(She) Love you to Death......

hahaha
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[siamcutey]

Page 64

"A thai man will never believe the lies we tell, he'd believe what he was told or what he suspected."

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[siamcutey]

Page 79

"They call it the Land of Smiles, but the smiles isn't real. It's a protective measure, a disguise, or a way of avoiding trouble. Something goes wrong, they smile. But behind the smiles, they are nasty pieces of work."

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[tirak69]

Originally posted by siamcutey
Page 79

"They call it the Land of Smiles, but the smiles isn't real. It's a protective measure, a disguise, or a way of avoiding trouble. Something goes wrong, they smile. But behind the smiles, they are nasty pieces of work."

SC

the first page already quite power... been a while since i read any novels. i have prefered to practical to theory recently. :D

[Feli]

great recommendations.... thanks.. will try to look for it ...
hope can get in those second hand bookstores... hee hee

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Spending my rather 'uneventful' weekend reading the novel.
Now up to page 22 liao.

Really quite an interesting read.
Writer tried to write in different characters POV...
sometime can be so contrastingly different.

Also can relate a bit to the story, especially all the NaNa Plaza , Soi Cowboy scenes.
:p

[Feli]

can tell where you get the books? at second hand place?
or you got it first hand... i can speed read so dun wanna spend too much money on books.. kkekeke
thanks inadvance

[siamcutey]

They don't have the printed version as written in the last few pages but it can be read free of charge online. Me now in my 100th page. And now I understand why thai girls love scolding others water buffalos.

hahaha
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[siamcutey]

Though its a fictitious story, but I do have this impression that most of the happenings that happen are factual than fictitious.

The author should have interviewed quite a number of people and rather had the experience to be able to write out the story in such great details.

The great contrast in thinking from Pete and Joy should make many stand up. Do not think it is just another story and just a one-off case. In real life, many stories are actually similar.

Now let me see, where have I heard the part on motorcycle........


hahaha
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[thaiboy]

hahahaha i like this quote

Hookers hook, that's what they do, and they don't fall in love with clients. If the guys pay the girl for sex the first time, the relationship can never be anything another than on a hooker- client basic

[siamcutey]

TEA BREAK.

There are many of such cases in Thailand. And often a time, there are private investigating services being offered. But then again, Men will always choose to believe in the fantasies and refuse to go for the P.I. .

Why?
Because they are afraid to know the truth. The truth will hurt.


What is a few K baht for the services of a PI when many are already "sponsoring"?

Read on to know more.

SC

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by thaiboy
hahahaha i like this quote

Hookers hook, that's what they do, and they don't fall in love with clients. If the guys pay the girl for sex the first time, the relationship can never be anything another than on a hooker- client basic

Wah, you are reading too.

hahaha
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[siamcutey]

Page 108.

Insight from the Private Investigator.
http://www.stephenleather.com/private-dancer.pdf

Remember what he says, cause he sees more cases than the girls you F.


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[siamcutey]

Page 122

Eighty percent of farangs give money when the girls cry

By the way, it applies to all foreigners and not only farangs.

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[siamcutey]

Page 123

The whole village can gang up to con the poor farang.

Thai C h u a y Thai.

C h u a y means Help

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[thaiboy]

very true........i have tried

You've never had a blow job until you had a katoey go down on you, a guy know what a guy likes. You don't have to fuck them

[thaiboy]

heheheh i like this part also......hahahahahah cant stop laughing

The ones who get into real trouble are the one who fall between the tourists. They have been here few month, maybe longer, and they think they know all. They think they understand Thais, they probably learn to speak a bit of the language, and they let their defences down. That's when they get fucked. There was a Jap guy we knew, came over to work for Toyota. Fell in love with a Thai girl, brought her house and some land up near chiang mai, gave money to her family, even brough them pick up trucks and some motorcycles. The girl must have been screw of the century when the Jap decides to marry her. He's goes up to Chiang Mai, and there's a huge wedding party. Foods, booze, the works. The whole family get legless, a great time is had by all. In the middle of the festivities, a Thai guy goes up to the Jap. " You can go now" says the Thai. "What do you mean ?" say the Jap "This my wedding"

"No" say the Thai "This my house. On my land. And that's my wife. Now you can Fuck off"

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Now that's one of the saddest story I ever read.
:(
Feel so sorry for the poor Jap chap.

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by ENTS
Now that's one of the saddest story I ever read.
:(
Feel so sorry for the poor Jap chap.

A whole village can conspire to con the jap guy. And the money he has been feeding her might have gone to her "pii chai" who happens to sleep on the same bed naked.

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[liketoplay]

wah lao ... fucking scary ! Hope it will not happen to me.

Sc pls help me keep a lookout. Any ' wind blow grass move ' must inform me k.

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by liketoplay
wah lao ... fucking scary ! Hope it will not happen to me.

Sc pls help me keep a lookout. Any ' wind blow grass move ' must inform me k.

The letters which Joy wrote to Pete, looked like a certain template which I ever seen before. Maybe their is an agency that does that. :p

PS:Don't worry though, I don't think she will do all those stuff.

SC

[tirak69]

Originally posted by siamcutey
Though its a fictitious story, but I do have this impression that most of the happenings that happen are factual than fictitious.

The author should have interviewed quite a number of people and rather had the experience to be able to write out the story in such great details.

The great contrast in thinking from Pete and Joy should make many stand up. Do not think it is just another story and just a one-off case. In real life, many stories are actually similar.

Now let me see, where have I heard the part on motorcycle........


hahaha
SC

spoke to some fellow bkk chiongsters about this novel. apparently its been ard for abt 1 year. comment is what is written is true... it happens frequently in places like NEP. soi cowboy. the DJ is the actual tirak. also heard this story where this SG guy sponsors a TG and stays with her... but next door is her tirak.

best is be player... enjoy and have fun.

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by tirak69
spoke to some fellow bkk chiongsters about this novel. apparently its been ard for abt 1 year. comment is what is written is true... it happens frequently in places like NEP. soi cowboy. the DJ is the actual tirak. also heard this story where this SG guy sponsors a TG and stays with her... but next door is her tirak.

best is be player... enjoy and have fun.

This book is the real thing and it actually says "Welcome to The Real Thailand." There will be critics who will brush off the book as another read or even say my story will be different.

But the bottomline and the undeniable fact is how this kind of situation can happen. Sad, harsh truth running across.

Tears can be fake by thai girls. Whole village ganging up to con. Thai gigolo, tiraks being fed with sponsorship. Its all part and parcel of the game. Chose to play it and the result is the thais win.

That is the reason why P4P. Pay Fuck and fuck off. Staying around only leaves the emotion attachments behind for the thai virus to get through the dickhead.

SC

[thaiboy]

Originally posted by liketoplay
wah lao ... fucking scary ! Hope it will not happen to me.

Sc pls help me keep a lookout. Any ' wind blow grass move ' must inform me k.

Bro bro bro........take care.....dun go too deep...no good for health....tat i always say.....50%

[thaiboy]

Originally posted by tirak69
spoke to some fellow bkk chiongsters about this novel. apparently its been ard for abt 1 year. comment is what is written is true... it happens frequently in places like NEP. soi cowboy. the DJ is the actual tirak. also heard this story where this SG guy sponsors a TG and stays with her... but next door is her tirak.

best is be player... enjoy and have fun.

Not only soi cowboy or nana....its happen to all Thai WL including our little geylang.

[liketoplay]

Originally posted by siamcutey
The letters which Joy wrote to Pete, looked like a certain template which I ever seen before. Maybe their is an agency that does that. :p

PS:Don't worry though, I don't think she will do all those stuff.

SC

btw , happy b'day if I remember correctly.

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by liketoplay
btw , happy b'day if I remember correctly.

Thank you.

Falling in love with a Thai girl may seem the best thing in life one can ever get. But it may also be the worst nightmare you ever encounter.


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[siamcutey]

Page 150

"Thais will steal you blind, given half a chance. The Land of Smiles they call it, but thats PR bullshit. The smiles aren't real. The smiles are masks so that they can conceal their real feelings, their real intentions. They see happy, smiling faces and thinks everybody loves them. That's what makes the Thais so dangerous."

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[siamcutey]

With the evidence from the P.I. , Vernon chose not to listen to the black and white evidence given to him. Instead he chose to listen to what his dick tell him. True scenario of a Sad Fuck.

Pete was no different. Knowing her family was out to con him, knowing she was out to con him. Sold his gold chain which was meant for her. The tears are fake, the cuts are fake, the blood that flow doesn't show anything at all. Another scenario of a sad fuck.

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[siamcutey]

Last week meeting with some friends and we were talking about Thai so-called kongtao by the puyings.

There are actually no kongtao. The thai girl just gave a tear or 2. Coupled with mentality that singapore girls sucks. They think the tears come true. They should set up factories producing eye-mo instead.

These men happily fall into the web. They think its love. She think its commercial. Something like an investment. A passport for her to have a better living. An investment which has better value then Thai investments. No awards for the thai ladies which did the minimum. The guys willingly fall into it.

Good advice falls on deaf ears. Love only make the person blind, but it actually make them deaf as well.

I do find that Private Investigator is a big business in thailand. Though many still prefer to believe in lies rather than the cold hard truth.

hahaha
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[Feli]

hhahaa
maybe we should go there and open a business there.. as PI..hahha
sure earn a lot one.. kkekkee

[tirak69]

perhaps SC can consider a change in occupation? ;)

not a bad job... most pay you to do do an investigation which they will believe to be untrue in the end due to self denial...

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by yomun
555! My afternoons are very free. I can do some spy assignments for you. Cost: 1 JW Black Label. ;)

As long as one does the job, present the facts and gets paid then one's job is done. The client can choose to believe or not. That's his own responsibility.

These are so-called suckers who think that they pay the money to get the peace of mind. In the end, when they see the results that not they want, they will refuse to accept the truth.

Another scenario will be those sad fucks who will say why should I use a P.I. when relationships should be based on trust. In actual fact, they are just scared to know the truth. Cos they know the truth hurts.

Sad Fucks are around us. The role of the P.I. is just to do his job well and present the facts. Living in denial is up to the sad fucks. No one will shed a tear if they get conned.

Change of occupation? Let me think about it. ;)

hahaha
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[siamcutey]

Originally posted by tirak69

which they will believe to be untrue in the end due to self denial...

Yeah, sad fucks will never admit they are 1 sad fuck themselves. They will always be spinning fantasy tales to cover the cold-end harsh truth. Life is not like what is as seen in movies.

There was an incident where I once read a true account.
This man was given a hero's welcome at the airport by his tirak's family and relative. Shortly he was whisked off to a hotel and next day he was right at the heart of their village, being showcased as the NEXT BIG THING. The Next Big Thing to finance their investments in future. The houses, the cars, the shops. In Thailand, foreigners have no single fucking rights. (Not like singapore) Buying a house under your wife's name will be hers. When she die, the house doesn't even go to the husband. The next of kin to inherit the house will be the parents. If the parents are no longer around, the siblings or the immediate relative will inherit the house. In short, nothing!!! Even if you have kids, the kids are below age of 21 and the house has to be in the care of a guardian. And again as the father (a foreign one), the guardian will not be him. Uncle, Auntie, anything but foreigners.

Look carefully at the so-called Pii-Chais, there will be so many. 1 of them might even be the so-called lover of the thai girl. The family will know but they will never reveal. Cos they just want money at the end of the day. Why risk by revealing the truth? Even the whole village will collaborate to tell the lie.

(You guys when go DonMuang Airport departure hall, should take a look at those Thai Girls who married foreign husbands. Most of them married farangs and they will come back victorious with their Luk Khreng babies and you will see the whole family sending them off. Why? So that they will get their monthly allowance. Sometimes I wonder why groups of 20-30 people is needed to send or receive this group of couples? One of them might even be the lover.)


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[edkoh2000]

SP Private Dancer has been around for a while. It is actually quite a sad story but also a pessimistic one. It is true and happens to lots of people but then again, there are also success stories though few.

These days even a normal relationship is difficult so no difference, one just have to OPEN eye big big and thread carefully.

Here is a link which presents some other more balance fair views of such a R/S.

http://www.freelancerbar.com/Girls/privatedancer.html

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by edkoh2000
SP Private Dancer has been around for a while. It is actually quite a sad story but also a pessimistic one. It is true and happens to lots of people but then again, there are also success stories though few.

These days even a normal relationship is difficult so no difference, one just have to OPEN eye big big and thread carefully.

Here is a link which presents some other more balance fair views of such a R/S.

http://www.freelancerbar.com/Girls/privatedancer.html

Actually a lot of people will interpret the Private Dancer as a pessimistic story on loving a thai working girl.

Frankly, in my opinion, that is the wrong way to read the book. The writer actually was conveying another message. His story was talking about the man. The man who fall hopelessly in love, defying truths, blinded by love(which he so-called). In other words, taking centrestage is the SAD FUCK.

I have said before a couple of times. Whether it is working lady, normal lady or whatever, telling a white lie in their thai culture is nothing. You would have seen many of those Thai uni students spending their time in internet cafes, writing love emails to their boyfriends (plural). Among there, sitting beside them will let you hear different bfs calling them up for a chat.

"Hope to see you soon" "I miss you" "I think of you everytime" all these are just the minimal phrases that always ring through the ears.

But over here, if you just see the point as these girls trying to con their way through, then you are wrong. It's these men who think they are the superheroes. The knights in shining armour. They think they should give these girls a helping hand, take care of them for life.
Denial of the truth.This is the saddest part of the story.
Knowing the truth and yet still going back at it.

This is the what the Private Dancer is trying to say all awhile. The Sad Fuck. Books describing the girls will be aplenty. The account of describing oneself will be the hardest to write.

Some can come out early, some will come out after suffering heavy casualties. Some might even be blinded for life. While some will be living in a world of fantasy tales.

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[edkoh2000]

To each his own then. We will be what we believe us to be.

[siamcutey]

Everyone is free to think what they believe in.

But the end of the day, one will have to ask ownself whether its looking things through 2 eyes on the head or 1 eye from the lower head. (Phrase courtesy of one of the brothers) ;)

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[edkoh2000]

Well,like I mentioned before, they maybe many man (farang or us) who are blind or chose to remain blind but not every Thai is out to cheat and lie.

They are real success stories too and if we chose to ignore that, it is itself a form of blindness.

No doubt all who thread have to be careful.:cool:

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by edkoh2000
Well,like I mentioned before, they maybe many man (farang or us) who are blind or chose to remain blind but not every Thai is out to cheat and lie.

They are real success stories too and if we chose to ignore that, it is itself a form of blindness.

No doubt all who thread have to be careful.:cool:

Not every thai is out to cheat and lie. The views here only serve to warn and serve as a reality check. And sometimes, man are funny. They open themselves up for the girls to seize an oportunity to cheat and lie.

Example, a uni girl might say she don't need you to help pay her school fees as she can afford it. but then the bf will say, I have to help you, even if I am not allowed to pay for your fees, let me give you some expenses. In many a case, its the so-called Song Sarn that kills these men, not the girl.

Yeap there are real success stories around. But...

But have you heard so-called success stories turn out having to open a can of worms after 10 years or so. What determines success? Marriage, kids? Success is only a term deemed by people who said "I have done it", but have they really done it? Its only the target which they always wanted to reach in their mind. But its that the real thing?

Often a times, people who wanted to make it successful, subconsciously are being blinded by the things they see. They no longer tell what is right and wrong. They only tell themselves. I have invested so much time, money, I need to get something out of it. That is wrong. That is making a mistake out of another mistake which makes it doubly wrong.

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[sandman101]

Originally posted by edkoh2000
Well,like I mentioned before, they maybe many man (farang or us) who are blind or chose to remain blind but not every Thai is out to cheat and lie.

They are real success stories too and if we chose to ignore that, it is itself a form of blindness.

No doubt all who thread have to be careful.:cool:

well said...

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Example, a uni girl might say she don't need you to help pay her school fees as she can afford it. but then the bf will say, I have to help you, even if I am not allowed to pay for your fees, let me give you some expenses. In many a case, its the so-called Song Sarn that kills these men, not the girl.

Must say I often do that for my tirak.
But I don't think it's anything wrong about it.
If you think your gf need help, you help.
That's all, plain and simple.


But have you heard so-called success stories turn out having to open a can of worms after 10 years or so. What determines success? Marriage, kids? Success is only a term deemed by people who said "I have done it", but have they really done it? Its only the target which they always wanted to reach in their mind. But its that the real thing?

Agreed!! Success should never be determine by conventional standard (if there's one). It should only be determined by you alone. Even in the end, the r/s does make it, it does not automatically become a failure.
Just remember:
"Do not be afraid of Failures. For they can only make you wiser. Just be sure that you make every Failure... A successful Failure!"

[GiddlyGook]

I thought the right way to read the book was to read it and enjoy it as a story. A pretty good one one at that: if you do a search I rec'ed this more than a year back.

The same hyperbole could be applied I guess to the working ladies too. Many sad fucks among them who get cheated and spend their money on meng das (gigolos) and at bar houts (gigolo bars) and end-up with nothing. The BKK post did a write-up on washed-up bar-girls returning from overseas with a baby and nothing else. I'd bet that for every successful con-woman you hear about, there are more than a few of women who now have bleak lives.

At the end of the day, that's life. There's always some serious mojo karmic equilibrium at work.

Originally posted by siamcutey


Frankly, in my opinion, that is the wrong way to read the book. The writer actually was conveying another message. His story was talking about the man. The man who fall hopelessly in love, defying truths, blinded by love(which he so-called). In other words, taking centrestage is the SAD FUCK.

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by GiddlyGook
I thought the right way to read the book was to read it and enjoy it as a story. A pretty good one one at that: if you do a search I rec'ed this more than a year back.

The same hyperbole could be applied I guess to the working ladies too. Many sad fucks among them who get cheated and spend their money on meng das (gigolos) and at bar houts (gigolo bars) and end-up with nothing. The BKK post did a write-up on washed-up bar-girls returning from overseas with a baby and nothing else. I'd bet that for every successful con-woman you hear about, there are more than a few of women who now have bleak lives.

At the end of the day, that's life. There's always some serious mojo karmic equilibrium at work.

Yeap, this book was written quite long time back, but I din't bother to read it till a brother told me read it recently. Since its online, I took the same step read it and gave my perception of it.

Actually the whole book was written with the first few parts of the chapter describing the simple minor tricks of these girls on how they con their way. Kinda stale in a sense. But what keeps people reading is the different perspective of the different characters as portrayed in the book.

Just like some may see a glass with water as half-filled while the others will see it as half-empty. ;)

In the latter part of the book, that is the more interesting part. It shows the self-denial which man encounters in such relationship. Though I do find the ending a bit fictitious, but nevertheless it can be done.

A story I wouldn't deem it as sad, tragedy. But one that serves to give a reality check at all times.

As for working ladies who spend their hard earned money on DRUGS and GIGOLOs, thats life. Frankly they chose what they wanted and they will have to suffer the consequences if any.

This is Life.

SC

[tirak69]

i find that there is no good or bad... it depends on which side you look at... as SC says the glass can be half full or half empty... its a matter or perception. i guess wat private dancer did was to try to present both sides of the coin... and let the reader decide. afterall everyone has their way of justifying their own actions.

i do believe that this book is a good read... esp those that are new to bkk... it is not meant to condemn WL and say that they are all out to con but at least it serves to tell the newbies to open their eyes and play with caution.

[edkoh2000]

Its great that many have come forward to discuss about this. Bangkok tonight forum has 33 pages on this topic will wonderful wide range of views.

One thing we all agree is that newbies going to LOS have to be careful of this "fairyland".:cool:

Thereafter according to your own encounters and experience, judge for yourself what actions are deserving of you.

[Phucker]

hey ppl,

got a link to one of the interviews with our great writer...haha
Stephen Leather interview (http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/interview1.html)

[CIMKing]

Pasted this from the "post ur tirak" thread..

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Originally posted by siamcutey
Many of the guys(not in this forum) who have seen it done it will have even more real life stories to tell.

SC
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Haha...cannot resist posting something. I have many many stories to tell. Now too late and too tired to type. The condensed version is as follows:

Anyway, I agree totally. Ultimate tirak?
What's the point?
What is the criteria on being the ultinate tirak? (Is it subsidise?Is it come ur house? or is it let u meet her parents?) In the short space of 1 year and 4months, I went thru all the above with 3 different girls, but almost the same outcome.
1)I am not their one and only tirak(lost contact with the 1st ger liao) and
2)The last 2 gers still wanna work in the same line.

The interesting thing is I met these girls in different parts of their 'cycle' in the flesh trade. The 1st i met 3mths b4 she went back. The 2nd girl was my 'tirak' for 10 months, she went back and is in London now(bro Yomun, u know her too). Told me not to wait for her becos she still had many places to go to 'find money'. The 3rd girl is a FL i met recently, went her house and met her parents twice in rural Thailand. And what do u think is going to happen?.... She coming to work here this month.

After countless mind games, I really really dun feel a single tinge of bitterness. Because it's like that. They all want to earn money. You will never be their only. So many many causal bonks have told me they just wanna earn money, take care of their family by themselves and 1 girl even advised me not to fall for WLs. Her words were "because they love money". They all say, men can wait. We are still young.

Really, that is the truth of the matter. If I put myself in their shoes, if I come from the same developing country, if I have the same circle of WL friends, very honestly, I would choose the same route. The 3rd girl told me, why work so hard for so little money when u can earn so much more so comfortably? If u understand Thai and u listen to their conversations, u will really understand they are looking for the easiest way to earn the most money.

I'm not saying these girls are really poor and they are desperate for the money to keep their families alive. More often than not, these girls really are the major breadwinner in the family. BUT given the low cost of living, I really question how much she provided are wants and how much are needs. And be it BKK girls or Chiangrai girls, they all spend quite freely on branded goods and the BKK nightlife. Like SC ever said, money easy come easy go; or something like that.

His point about the circle of WL friends is very very VERY right. The influence these WLs have on each other is huge. Just like any normal chap in the street. Aiya, something about the "near red become red, near black become black" chinese proverb. How can a girl not be tempted about working in this trade when 90% of her friends are WLs and looking for the best place to earn the biggest bucks? Shall I work in BKK? or shall I go SG? Japan? Australia? London? the usual list....

I used to be sceptical about SC's negativity abt these girls. But as I went down the path myself, I seem to recall having read all my real life happenings in sammyboy. I could even predict the chain of events! Hahaha!

Aiya, condensed version still become so long-winded....jialat..anyway, good luck to all those still aspiring to be the ultimate tirak. I know u can get a great sense of satisfaction from accomplishing the feat, because it's really a HUGE hill to climb. But after u get to the top, maybe u would find a lot of guys there already..and then u realised it wasn't really worth the effort.

Don't ever put ur heart in it. It's a sure-lose game.

Finally,
CIMKing

[liketoplay]

the more I read , the more I'm scared....

Know my girl for less than 3 months and so far I've provided her everything she's asked for. I feel that she truly loves me but then again, am wondering if I'm her only guy....

I know she's no longer in the trade , thats for sure. Dun wish to think so much now , just see how it goes...

[sandman101]

Originally posted by liketoplay
the more I read , the more I'm scared....

Know my girl for less than 3 months and so far I've provided her everything she's asked for. I feel that she truly loves me but then again, am wondering if I'm her only guy....

I know she's no longer in the trade , thats for sure. Dun wish to think so much now , just see how it goes...

No need to be scared. Recognise that there is such a possibility. Ask yourself what would you do in the worst case scenario. Then carry on the relationship in the right way... good luck.

[liketoplay]

Originally posted by sandman101
No need to be scared. Recognise that there is such a possibility. Ask yourself what would you do in the worst case scenario. Then carry on the relationship in the right way... good luck.

Yes , even though I'm prepared for such a scenario , it'll still hurt when it happens. And I'll prefer to know the truth sooner than later. But I guess one will never know until something terrible happens .....

thanks bro.

[sandman101]

Originally posted by CIMKing
Pasted this from the "post ur tirak" thread..

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Originally posted by siamcutey
Many of the guys(not in this forum) who have seen it done it will have even more real life stories to tell.

SC
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Haha...cannot resist posting something. I have many many stories to tell. Now too late and too tired to type. The condensed version is as follows:

Anyway, I agree totally. Ultimate tirak?
What's the point?
What is the criteria on being the ultinate tirak? (Is it subsidise?Is it come ur house? or is it let u meet her parents?) In the short space of 1 year and 4months, I went thru all the above with 3 different girls, but almost the same outcome.
1)I am not their one and only tirak(lost contact with the 1st ger liao) and
2)The last 2 gers still wanna work in the same line.

The interesting thing is I met these girls in different parts of their 'cycle' in the flesh trade. The 1st i met 3mths b4 she went back. The 2nd girl was my 'tirak' for 10 months, she went back and is in London now(bro Yomun, u know her too). Told me not to wait for her becos she still had many places to go to 'find money'. The 3rd girl is a FL i met recently, went her house and met her parents twice in rural Thailand. And what do u think is going to happen?.... She coming to work here this month.

After countless mind games, I really really dun feel a single tinge of bitterness. Because it's like that. They all want to earn money. You will never be their only. So many many causal bonks have told me they just wanna earn money, take care of their family by themselves and 1 girl even advised me not to fall for WLs. Her words were "because they love money". They all say, men can wait. We are still young.

Really, that is the truth of the matter. If I put myself in their shoes, if I come from the same developing country, if I have the same circle of WL friends, very honestly, I would choose the same route. The 3rd girl told me, why work so hard for so little money when u can earn so much more so comfortably? If u understand Thai and u listen to their conversations, u will really understand they are looking for the easiest way to earn the most money.

I'm not saying these girls are really poor and they are desperate for the money to keep their families alive. More often than not, these girls really are the major breadwinner in the family. BUT given the low cost of living, I really question how much she provided are wants and how much are needs. And be it BKK girls or Chiangrai girls, they all spend quite freely on branded goods and the BKK nightlife. Like SC ever said, money easy come easy go; or something like that.

His point about the circle of WL friends is very very VERY right. The influence these WLs have on each other is huge. Just like any normal chap in the street. Aiya, something about the "near red become red, near black become black" chinese proverb. How can a girl not be tempted about working in this trade when 90% of her friends are WLs and looking for the best place to earn the biggest bucks? Shall I work in BKK? or shall I go SG? Japan? Australia? London? the usual list....

I used to be sceptical about SC's negativity abt these girls. But as I went down the path myself, I seem to recall having read all my real life happenings in sammyboy. I could even predict the chain of events! Hahaha!

Aiya, condensed version still become so long-winded....jialat..anyway, good luck to all those still aspiring to be the ultimate tirak. I know u can get a great sense of satisfaction from accomplishing the feat, because it's really a HUGE hill to climb. But after u get to the top, maybe u would find a lot of guys there already..and then u realised it wasn't really worth the effort.

Don't ever put ur heart in it. It's a sure-lose game.

Finally,
CIMKing


I like what bro edkoh mentioned in his earlier post "there may be many man (farang or us) who are blind or chose to remain blind but not every Thai is out to cheat and lie. They are real success stories too and if we chose to ignore that, it is itself a form of blindness. No doubt all who thread have to be careful."

It captures the essence of a relationship with a Thai WL doesn't it?

I am one who always tries to see the good in all people. As bro CIMKing had rightly pointed out, with the environment that these girls are in (WL colleagues and all), it would be foolish to deny the influence it exerts on the girls. But I think rather than saying that one shouldn't put the heart in a sure-lose game, perhaps it is worth exploring how we can turn the situation around gradually. Perhaps we have to explore how one can improve on their relationship from various levels of perspectives.

Basically what I am saying is, why focus on the negatives and let it paralyse all? Take heed of the inherent dangers (which bro SC has kindly shared with all), but move forward.

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by liketoplay
Yes , even though I'm prepared for such a scenario , it'll still hurt when it happens. And I'll prefer to know the truth sooner than later. But I guess one will never know until something terrible happens .....

thanks bro.

Then, you will have to ask yourself one simple question. What is your level of emotions involved in such a case? 30%, 50%, 70% or 100%. Thaiboy always tells me just put in 50%. At least you can hold yourself back. Putting in 50% doesn't mean you don't love her 100%, it just gives you a 50% chance to be able to ponder and give your ownself a reality check at times.

Without her, will you still live life to fullest. Definitely, because she didn't give you life. Your parents did. One can survive the earlier stages of 20-30 years in life and should be able to well-survive that for the next couple of decades with or without a tirak.

You might be hurt for a while, but who don't. Slowly the wound will heal and everything will be just fine.

SC

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by sandman101
I like what bro edkoh mentioned in his earlier post "there may be many man (farang or us) who are blind or chose to remain blind but not every Thai is out to cheat and lie. They are real success stories too and if we chose to ignore that, it is itself a form of blindness. No doubt all who thread have to be careful."

It captures the essence of a relationship with a Thai WL doesn't it?

I am one who always tries to see the good in all people. As bro CIMKing had rightly pointed out, with the environment that these girls are in (WL colleagues and all), it would be foolish to deny the influence it exerts on the girls. But I think rather than saying that one shouldn't put the heart in a sure-lose game, perhaps it is worth exploring how we can turn the situation around gradually. Perhaps we have to explore how one can improve on their relationship from various levels of perspectives.

Basically what I am saying is, why focus on the negatives and let it paralyse all? Take heed of the inherent dangers (which bro SC has kindly shared with all), but move forward.

Err, a correction. Telling lies is in their culture whether they are working ladies or decent ladies. Thai girls are a very diplomatic lot. If you are with them, they don't like you, they wouldn't tell you. They will give the impression that they like you but in actual fact they don't. For what reasons, I wouldn't know. (Maybe they are great diplomats.)

Improving relationship from various levels of perspectives? Let's put it in a simple way. The only way to imprve on the relationship is to be 24/7 with her all the time. No amount of phonecalls, no amount of emails can improve on that. Phonecalls, emails, visits are on a superficial surface. Being 24/7 is the only time where day in day out you see her, she see you, thats how to work it out.

Either is bringing her to SG stay long term or you going to Thailand and stay long term. This is the sacrifice that must be made. Only then can you really start as Day 1 in working on the relationship. Citing other reasons such as work commitments, family reasons are simply just excuses. Because in order to make it work, 1st of all sacrifices have to be made. Once sacrifices are made, then worthwhile to talk about other stuff.

SC

[liketoplay]

Originally posted by siamcutey
Then, you will have to ask yourself one simple question. What is your level of emotions involved in such a case? 30%, 50%, 70% or 100%. Thaiboy always tells me just put in 50%. At least you can hold yourself back. Putting in 50% doesn't mean you don't love her 100%, it just gives you a 50% chance to be able to ponder and give your ownself a reality check at times.

Without her, will you still live life to fullest. Definitely, because she didn't give you life. Your parents did. One can survive the earlier stages of 20-30 years in life and should be able to well-survive that for the next couple of decades with or without a tirak.

You might be hurt for a while, but who don't. Slowly the wound will heal and everything will be just fine.

SC

I've been through few relationships already so will definitely survive with or without her. Thing is she's the only girl I've spent so much on in such short time , so will feel like a big fool if her feelings are not real. As for myself , think I've put in 70-80% into this relationship.

[liketoplay]

Originally posted by yomun
The following comments are not pouring cold water but are facts.

What you're doing now is called sponsoring. Very common lah in LOS. I reckon you are not even residing in LOS. Careful man. Even experienced bros residing in LOS can also get cheated. How about those not living in LOS? You're not there to monitor yourself 24/7 so you'll never know what's going on. TG's friend can spot you with a female friend somewhere and give you a call to check on you. Why can't you do the same? But do it undercover style. Haha.

Just hire a PI and you'll know the truth. Simple as that. Only depends whether you can handle the truth. There're some DIY methods where you can find out. Let me know if you're in BKK. We can further discuss this. By the way I'm not in the PI business so don't misunderstand I'm self promoting.

exactly , though we talked on e phone 1-2 times daily , we are not together 24/7. But she always seems kancheong and jealous if I dun call her at night or I'm out drinking till late. I can say I trust her 95% but after reading so much ... better be on my guard.

Will definitely meet up with you on my next trip. But will not be so soon as now am busy with work. Most prop in Feb .

[edkoh2000]

For the first time I agree with SC on the below...

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Either is bringing her to SG stay long term or you going to Thailand and stay long term. This is the sacrifice that must be made. Only then can you really start as Day 1 in working on the relationship. Citing other reasons such as work commitments, family reasons are simply just excuses. Because in order to make it work, 1st of all sacrifices have to be made. Once sacrifices are made, then worthwhile to talk about other stuff.
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I for one don't believe in Long Distance R/S of any kind...whether be it with a Singapore girl or a thai girl....working girl or non-working girl.

Originally posted by sandman101

Basically what I am saying is, why focus on the negatives and let it paralyse all? Take heed of the inherent dangers (which bro SC has kindly shared with all), but move forward.

Well said brother Sandman...!

To me...its logical if I ask my girl to quit the scene to sponsor her some $. Whether Singapore girl or any girl, if you believe financial security is not involved then you are the real fool! Whichever way we also have to spent money.

Having said that, we are not robert or carrot or ATM...we have to be careful what we spend, how much and whether the girl is worth it.

I do try my best to walk carefully everytime I fall in love (though it is difficult). I give my trust but doesn't mean I give $ freely.

Always be on-guard especially the early days and try to spend more time with her. The greatest actress cannot act 24hrs a day, 365 days a year.:cool:

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by liketoplay
exactly , though we talked on e phone 1-2 times daily , we are not together 24/7. But she always seems kancheong and jealous if I dun call her at night or I'm out drinking till late. I can say I trust her 95% but after reading so much ... better be on my guard.

Will definitely meet up with you on my next trip. But will not be so soon as now am busy with work. Most prop in Feb .

Let me tell you 1 incident which I ever seen. The girl can go out and drink with friends till wee hours in the morning while the boyfriend cannot do that while in singapore. Just like men. Can go out and play while thinking that their wife or gf should not do that. Apply the same thinking vice versa and you get the idea. Women want you to call them so that they can show their domination side that you are in their control. ;)

1 thing you should be on guard 24/7 all the time. Even though she is good or whatsoever.Whether WL, or Non WL. There are even cases of thai women who love to have affairs when they have husbands. Their mentality is my husband is out playing, so should I. Welcome to the Real Thailand.

hahaha
SC

[CIMKing]

Originally posted by sandman101


But I think rather than saying that one shouldn't put the heart in a sure-lose game, perhaps it is worth exploring how we can turn the situation around gradually. Perhaps we have to explore how one can improve on their relationship from various levels of perspectives.

Basically what I am saying is, why focus on the negatives and let it paralyse all? Take heed of the inherent dangers (which bro SC has kindly shared with all), but move forward.

I really have your exact same thinking...... 2 "relationships" ago.
I like your "perhaps it is worth exploring how we can turn the situation around gradually" mentality. I tried to do it from ALL levels of perspective liao..haha...but in my case, to no avail....1 still went London, the other is still coming here to work next week. I used up all the tricks in my bag liao...but still kept banging into the wall...after a couple of times, I just got to realise I cannot change them.

Really depends on what u mean by moving forward....fyi, I'm still pretty good friends with both of them and we exchange calls a few times a week..both of them. But I'm at the stage where,on the surface the 3 of us still pretend to be in a bf-gf relationship, but I know, and they know, nothing will ever come out of it.

Why do I still not step away? I'm also wondering..but partly I treasured the memories that fate gave the 3 of us, I am one who really treasures my friends. Secondly, they do help me practise my Thai, thirdly, they helped and will continue help to save on my accom when I visit Thailand and London and last but not least, both are extremely attractive companions:D ..hahaha...poot lehn...the first 2 reasons more real..

I feel that as long as I continue to understand the huge gulf in mentality betw them and me, then I'm not in danger of falling for them again, because I really know them both too well, both their WL mentality and their individual personality.

My point all along was, is it worth the effort to "Take heed of the inherent dangers, but move forward"....we might be looking for the wrong thing in the wrong place...aiya, we all got to kanna first then we will realise lah...just try to limit the damage loh

Explorer once,
CIMKing

P.S. SC, u know where is Mayji now after H32 closed shop? I dun want to bump into her again leh...last time she baotoh me..tell her gd friend I visited her (although she promised not to tell)..wa lao...her gd friend called from London and gave me a tongue lashing in the middle of the night leh:( Btw, Mayji also gave me a lecture on the "taking care of her family by herself, no need man, she still young" shit...haha

OK, let's keep to the private dancer topic, sorry for side-tracking..I go finish the book first...

[CIMKing]

Originally posted by siamcutey
Err, a correction. Telling lies is in their culture whether they are working ladies or decent ladies. Thai girls are a very diplomatic lot. If you are with them, they don't like you, they wouldn't tell you. They will give the impression that they like you but in actual fact they don't. For what reasons, I wouldn't know. (Maybe they are great diplomats.)

Improving relationship from various levels of perspectives? Let's put it in a simple way. The only way to imprve on the relationship is to be 24/7 with her all the time. No amount of phonecalls, no amount of emails can improve on that. Phonecalls, emails, visits are on a superficial surface. Being 24/7 is the only time where day in day out you see her, she see you, thats how to work it out.

Either is bringing her to SG stay long term or you going to Thailand and stay long term. This is the sacrifice that must be made. Only then can you really start as Day 1 in working on the relationship. Citing other reasons such as work commitments, family reasons are simply just excuses. Because in order to make it work, 1st of all sacrifices have to be made. Once sacrifices are made, then worthwhile to talk about other stuff.

SC

Pak wan maak maak...

Agree on the 24/7 thing. Last time I din agree with SC on this. If you are less than 24/7 with her, you simply cannot compete with her WL friends..the huge amount of influence they pull over her...really..you people must believe this. You may ask then no trust then what's the point of a r/s..when u have to 'compete' with her friends....when u cannot accept her and her surroundings(including her gd friends) as a whole....argument also not wrong...so what's the conclusion of these 2 seemingly conflicting but perfectly logical argument? The conclusion is...There is no point!! I dont want to make a sweeping statement, but that shd apply most of these r/s..

Another more remote possibility is from bro lighter5's experience. You got to be so damn rich that u can satisfy their love for money and material needs...like he rightly pointed out, first you must be able to afford it, only then can you proceed to shower her with lots of love. Remember, first is MONEY. That way, maybe your can stay apart and still make it work...just maybe..

[CIMKing]

Originally posted by liketoplay
Thing is she's the only girl I've spent so much on in such short time , so will feel like a big fool if her feelings are not real.

That is exactly the wrong thinking..haha...sometimes, it's better to admit to yourself u r a big fool...will hurt less. What is your definition of her real feelings are real or not? Is it she loves u jing jing? Or is it she loves u jing jing ONLY? There's a big diff u know? If you are looking for the latter, then i suggest u better admit u r a fool now...b4 u get hurt/disillusioned/disappointed. The fact is they simply have too much choice liao...that's the problem..haha.

From making love in my house to visiting her house to introducing me to her whole village and best friends in BKK, how can I say my 2 friends' feelings were not real? But was I the only one? At no point in time was i the only one. Can you take it when she asks you how to sms "Taa khun mee welaa wang, khun toh haa chan dai" in English? Sitting together on her sofa in rural Phayao, she was definitely not msging me. And I still have to answer with a straight face "If you have free time, you can call me". She had the courteousy to say thanks and 3 minutes later, she receives the call, face lit up in elation, and rushed into her room, all the while conversing in her broken English but afraid I could hear her. What do you think? haha...

The first ger I fell for (lost contact liao). she was in her last 3 months in SG liao...after countless mind games, I thought, I want to be the "ultimate tirak"..and how to know for sure? I reckoned the below will give me a gd indication.
1) I want to bring her out,
2) I want to bring her home,
3) I must be the one with her on her last day in SG and see her off at the airport
4) I want to visit her home in Myanmar.
All of the above she promised me but din materialise. Nevermind, I thought, I'll do better next time.

The second ger comes along. I wasn't convinced but after many many things happened, in the end I believed "her feelings for me were real".
1) I brought her out
2) I brought her home
3) I was the one with her on her last day here and saw her off at the airport.

But you know what?
1) She din just go out with me. Her gd friend confessed after she went Lon.
2) She din just go my house. Her gd friend also confessed.
3) 2 other guys also saw her off at the airport.
4) I din get to visit her in BKK and her home because she went London b4 I could go and I know she wasn't enthuisaistic abt me visiting.
I was disillusioned. Still not the "ultimate tirak". Nevermind, I'll do better next time.

The third ger came along.
1) I brought her out
2) I brought her home
3) I went home with her on her last day somemore.
4) I even visited her a second time in BKK to meet her best friend and went to her house together.

Am I now the "ultimate tirak"? I have "achieved" all my goals u know? No! She is still going to come here and work (she was a FL in SG) here on a 2 year visa because the lure of the money she can earn is simply irresistible. And is she still seeing other guys? U bet she is, and she will. She got to keep her customer base. And make the full use of these carrots.

What's the point of finally "achieving" all these? Must I now aim to screw the next ger in her own house? And then she will be mine only? C'mon lah...

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by CIMKing

P.S. SC, u know where is Mayji now after H32 closed shop? I dun want to bump into her again leh...last time she baotoh me..tell her gd friend I visited her (although she promised not to tell)..wa lao...her gd friend called from London and gave me a tongue lashing in the middle of the night leh:( Btw, Mayji also gave me a lecture on the "taking care of her family by herself, no need man, she still young" shit...haha

OK, let's keep to the private dancer topic, sorry for side-tracking..I go finish the book first...

She told me she is back, but anyway, I didn't bother looking for her. She was telling long time back ago, she will go Japan after the GL trip. That time when you told me that, I already knew she will baotou you. Thai people words cannot be taken at face value. I was told that she actually called me up, but that time I was not in Thailand when she returned.

Ok, since now you see the whole picture, let me tell you more. when she quoted you this message Btw, Mayji also gave me a lecture on the "taking care of her family by herself, no need man, she still young" shit... at the behind she will tell her to think for her future and go for London. Of course she has to be the diplomat by telling you good things about her all this and crap.

I have a forum friend who stayed Thailand for the past 10 over years. Married a normal non-WL thai lady and happily married with 3 kids. Never got involved in relationships with WLs and he can tell me the same thing. NEVER TRUST THAIS. Thai people also tell me say don't trust the thais. So am I in any capacity to say the Thais should be trusted? I have my fair share of experiences seeing thai people lie and I am not here lambasting them. I am pointing out the fact that this is their culture.

Understanding the Thai Culture is one thing but doesn't mean changing them. Nor meaning accepting them. Understanding it will be good enough.

I remembered the 1st day I went for my Thai Lesson at the Selegie Complex. My Khunkruu(teacher), a thai, told me the same thing. Falling in love with a Thai girl can be dangerous and must be very careful. I didn't even tell her my ex tirak was a WL and she can say that to us. (I guess she must have knew many guys who went learning thai because of tiraks.)

What the thai girls tell us, its known among the Thai community, because we are thancharts (foreigners). Once a Thai girl know you can hold a thai conversation with them very well on your own, they will be more wary of you than the other way round. Do we see thai guys having tirak problems with their thai gfs? No. They understand the fact if the girl go out and get money back for the family, its part of their culture.

Over here, please take note, I am not lambasting the Thais. I am just explaining their perceptions and their culture. Understanding them but doesn't mean I accept it nor intend to change it.

SC

[free]

Originally posted by edkoh2000
Well,like I mentioned before, they maybe many man (farang or us) who are blind or chose to remain blind but not every Thai is out to cheat and lie.

They are real success stories too and if we chose to ignore that, it is itself a form of blindness.

No doubt all who thread have to be careful.:cool:
My story has not ended, but so far I have to support your views. I am walking along that path. Still a long way to go, but nevertheless, it moving forward positively, and strengthening by the month. But again, I also agree with SC. For every success, there are probably 99 failures. One does need to walk with eyes open big big. I have also used a PI as I wanted to trust her more, not cos I dun trust her at all. It worked out positive.

Currently there are at least 3 other bros I know who are walking this road with reasonable success so far. One has failed before and kena terok terok. This time round he was much more careful.

But I also see many more failures; some are really pitiful. I myself have even told some bros to wake up from their illusion.

[CIMKing]

Originally posted by siamcutey
She told me she is back, but anyway, I didn't bother looking for her. She was telling long time back ago, she will go Japan after the GL trip. That time when you told me that, I already knew she will baotou you. Thai people words cannot be taken at face value. I was told that she actually called me up, but that time I was not in Thailand when she returned.

Ok, since now you see the whole picture, let me tell you more. when she quoted you this message Btw, Mayji also gave me a lecture on the "taking care of her family by herself, no need man, she still young" shit... at the behind she will tell her to think for her future and go for London. Of course she has to be the diplomat by telling you good things about her all this and crap.

Understanding them but doesn't mean I accept it nor intend to change it.

SC

So she's back. I wonder where the rest of the H32 girls went. I saw the skinny OKT outside H14 though. Wait my new friend work at that house also..haha...then she'll see thru my little lamb image and know I'm actually the predator..hahah. Mayji told me all the H32 girls know about me and Jeab. That's terrible.

Jeab also wanted to go Japan but I think visa hard to get. I think the whole H32 wanted to go lah...but maybe she'll follow Jeab to London. Jeab's visa just got extended from 6 months to 2 years..great..haha..

Actually, Mayji was talking about herself during the lecture, not her gd friend, but it's really what every Thai WL think.

Exactly, understand can liao. If understand, then will know cannot be together with these girls, because different, very different. No need to accept or change them, because we can't, at least I can't.

P.S. Bro Yomun, I din want to tell you about me and her that time because of my previous horrendous experience with the 1st ger and Bro Relac Fats. I din want to play the mind games again. I wanted to bury my ostrich head in the sand. But really, I had to thank you because your account of all those sms, orgies and happenings let me know her much better. And that was the beginning of all the distrust and quarrels we had in our 1 year "together". I was like:"basket...how come his sms looks the same as the ones I got?" I din need to know her tag number because of the way she phrased her sms in broken English and her "gd9". No other girl spells the word that way. And of cos when you described the way she kissed, I knew liao. FYI, I cornered her when I pointed these 2 points out, she still din admitted. I really saw thru her.

Good night guys...

[CIMKing]

Originally posted by free
I have also used a PI as I wanted to trust her more, not cos I dun trust her at all.

I like the way u said that..hahaha...:D thook tong!

[siamcutey]

Now getting a bit sleepy.

And also it's the Thai King's birthday tomorrow. Wan Por. So wish him a very happy birthday. :p

So far this discussion sounds lively and open-minded. Maybe to make things more interesting, I shall post some of the interesting happenings which happen to me and my ex-tirak. I think that will be scintillating. And hopefully she will have a chance to read what I am writing today even though she is in London. I would seriously love to thank her for bringing me out of the perfect fantasy world. Without her, there wouldn't be me learning thai. I also wouldn't have realised what is true and what is false.

PS to free: If you are buying a gift for your tirak's parents. you do not need to buy them a watch nor gold jewellery. Practical items. The best present will be to go supermarkets and get them those chicken essence hamper, costs around 1000+baht or more depending on quantity you buy. The thais treat chicken essence as a luxury item. Even though some Thais do not like the taste but chicken essence is the symbol of an ideal gift. Shops and supermarklets all around Thailand sell them in different hamper sizes.

Good night everyone.

SC

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by CIMKing
So she's back. I wonder where the rest of the H32 girls went. I saw the skinny OKT outside H14 though. Wait my new friend work at that house also..haha...then she'll see thru my little lamb image and know I'm actually the predator..hahah. Mayji told me all the H32 girls know about me and Jeab. That's terrible.

Jeab also wanted to go Japan but I think visa hard to get. I think the whole H32 wanted to go lah...but maybe she'll follow Jeab to London. Jeab's visa just got extended from 6 months to 2 years..great..haha..



Japan and London, so familiar. I still have 1 more place. Australia.

I will tell you tomorrow how they extend from 6 months to 2 years. Loooooooonnnnngggggg story.

hahaha
SC

[edkoh2000]

Originally posted by CIMKing
That is exactly the wrong thinking..haha...sometimes, it's better to admit to yourself u r a big fool...will hurt less. What is your definition of her real feelings are real or not? Is it she loves u jing jing? Or is it she loves u jing jing ONLY? There's a big diff u know? If you are looking for the latter, then i suggest u better admit u r a fool now...b4 u get hurt/disillusioned/disappointed. The fact is they simply have too much choice liao...that's the problem..haha.



I must thank you brother CIM for sharing your painful experience. Now I understand better why you feel the way you do.

Can I ask a personal question? Of all the 3 girls, did you propose to replace their income after they quit the scene and named you the only lover/bf ? Did you at any point propose a commitment to take care of them for now and for the future?

[edkoh2000]

Originally posted by free
My story has not ended, but so far I have to support your views. I am walking along that path. Still a long way to go, but nevertheless, it moving forward positively, and strengthening by the month. But again, I also agree with SC. For every success, there are probably 99 failures. One does need to walk with eyes open big big. I have also used a PI as I wanted to trust her more, not cos I dun trust her at all. It worked out positive.

Currently there are at least 3 other bros I know who are walking this road with reasonable success so far. One has failed before and kena terok terok. This time round he was much more careful.

But I also see many more failures; some are really pitiful. I myself have even told some bros to wake up from their illusion.

Thanks brother free for speaking. I did read a little about your story in some thread. Good luck to you and perhaps one day I might need your recommendation on the detective.:)

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by edkoh2000
Thanks brother free for speaking. I did read a little about your story in some thread. Good luck to you and perhaps one day I might need your recommendation on the detective.:)
Oh by the way, some private detectives are fly by kite ones, there to just make up the numbers and con more moeny out from people. 1 personal recommendation is NOT to use the P.I. that is heavily recommended in BKKtonight. Cannot make it.

SC

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by edkoh2000
Can I ask a personal question? Of all the 3 girls, did you propose to replace their income after they quit the scene and named you the only lover/bf ? Did you at any point propose a commitment to take care of them for now and for the future?

May I ask how much do you think will be enough to replace their income? Bearing in mind they are earning at least 50K baht and more in the trade. (Most often is more). I am sure many guys dd gave the commitment to take care of them.

Let's say for instance I give 50K baht a month, she quit the scene. But then you are not together with her. What she do everyday at home? Stay and sleep at home? Go shopping watch movies alone? They need company. And who are the people they knew? The WLs. Everyday their conversation will consists of how many sessions they do, how much they earn from this Robert, where is the most ideal place in the world to "do business". If they have the simple idea on what business or work to do, they wouldn't do the flesh trade. You and I got to admit. Its fucking easy money.

So who do they turn to? Their friends and the local siam kias who come and sweet talk. You ever seen siam kias pick up their wives at MPs after work? You ever seen them sending their wives to hotels let people F? And when some of these girls when they have foreign boyfriends coming over, the siamkias will evacuate. or guest appearance as the ever loving Pii Chai. Look around in their family and you might even discover the little brother or sister in the family might be the lovechild of the siamkia and your gf. Don't worry, as for covering up, they are a class above everyone. From the family to the whole village.

So where does your money go at the end of the day?1 end you are simply just busy earning money for them to withdraw from your ATM.

Remember the 24/7 thing? That is when you don't even need to pay that amount every month. How much is needed for the family, food, acomms, etc is all easily calculated and you realise you save much much more. And also you will realise that the WLs will not even come visit her so often. Especially when you know the thai language, they wouldn't even talk about tam ngaan.

SC

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by CIMKing

Jeab also wanted to go Japan but I think visa hard to get. I think the whole H32 wanted to go lah...but maybe she'll follow Jeab to London. Jeab's visa just got extended from 6 months to 2 years..great..haha..



The theory as to how she get her 2 year visa will be at the end of this post.

So now my turn to tell some parts of my story. I wouldn't really talk about the whole story as it is long for 2 fucking years. But I would take out some scenes and talk about it.

My Ex-tirak's baby name is called nana, easier for me to quote in this scenes

Nana ROD from GL Westerhuot (or should I say ORD). After 1 year of being an Ang Pai in that house, she earned herself at least 40K SGD. Almost a million baht. Practically she can live very very comfortably. She bought a small car. Those small alfas. Costing 200K

She opened a restaurant with her so-called friends, and she is the only one paying the capital. I think they deem her as a money cow as she just came back overseas. Plonked in 300K baht. And in the end, the place did not open even.

At 1 point, she even broke down to me how much she hated the job in GL and wanted to die. You can even see her cry. I was saddened and really wanted to take care of her for life and protect her. Now you ask me, give her a rope, sleeping pills, gasoline tank, penknife, she will never never do that.
(Tears can be faked. Just like thaiboy's signature)

Got a period of time for about 3 weeks, she wasn't contactable. then she called me back, she said she just got back from Australia. She applied there to study english and after 3 weeks she ws back as she was caught for working in a restaurant while on student visa. She was sent back and her hp was stolen by her friend.

Last time I believe her as I was still a naive small little boy. Now you ask me, BULLSHIT. How can they actually apply for studying in English when their English standard is half past fuck? Why she got caught? She was working as a FL and got caught and had to be sent back. My theory sounds more logical than hers.

There was once when she brought me to a pub named Spasso at Grand Erawan. She say its easier for a foreigner to bring both she and her sister in. The music was great. The drinks were expensive. and somehow or another there was a farang who appeared out of no where to talk to her. She told me a friend she knew.
Now you ask me, Spasso is a FL hi-so pub. Thai Girls FL there at a rate of 3000-5000 baht ST. And the farang? I wouldn't be surprised if he was just another customer.

The day we broke up was when she said she wanted to go Japan to work. It has been > a year since she left GL. That time I had came out from NS and was doing decently well. I told her I will give her the money but just don't go. She said she don't want to take my money and she want to earn herself instead. (For that she at least have some conscience or maybe I wasn't rich enough). 1 GL girl told me maybe is not she doesn't want to take my money, it's because I am not rich enough for her. The comment was insulting but nevertheless, it really shook me.

After we broke up, 2 weeks later, called me up for help. She said she is not going Japan anymore and need to pay back the visa fees of 25000baht. She asked me to help her half of it and will return it to me one day. I TT her the money in an hour.

I was like a fucking sad fuck trying to think the world is so beautiful. Nevertheless it take 1 sad fuck to understand another sad fuck.;)

After she paid off her "debts", I still call her. Nana always tells me her dream is to go to a cool weathered place, such as Aust or England and she hated Thailand. She asked me to move over Thailand and stay with her. My rationale that time was to fucking do what there? I told her, I will make the dough and send her the bread. Give me 2 years and I will be there. She didn't wait.

2 weeks later, I called Nana, her younger sister picked up the phone and she was already on the plane to London. The bubble ended. I deserved it. The Sawadee forum people were giving advices on the pitfalls and there behind the monitor I was cursing and swearing at them thinking how could these people be so cruel? The true fact is they are the people who helped me most. They are the ones who really walked the path. For that I really have to thank them.

Nana emailed me when she was in London, and we still communicated. Until one day I couldn't take it and list out all my thoughts. From then she never emailed me back. Now her hotmail account has been discontinued.

I did call up her younger sister once in a while to find out how Nana was. Her younger sister told me she came back with a farang in december last year and got married in thailand and went back to England again.
My own discovery,
The marriage is to facilitate her visa so that she can go back to England again and ply her trade. Imagine they can marry any Tom Dick and Harry so as to go to a place and work. Dangerous.

I didn't really put the blame on her. I was too naive. Living in the comfort zone of Singapore. Coming to Bangkok staying here gave me a full picture of what Thai girls really are. I remembered that pointing 1 finger at the Thai girl saying is her fault is easy, but the other 3 fingers at my palm are actually pointing back at myself. I learned alot from this incident. And the only way 1 person can learn is when he walked down the Thai Memory Lane.

My motivation to learn thai is when at one time at the beach with Nana, I told her I want to learn thai to communicate with her. She told me I can't. Thai language is very hard and I will not be able to do it. Last time she can talk on the phone in thai while I am beside her. Now no one dares. One thing I learnt, if your tirak can speak English, Japanese, Cantonese or whatever languages quite well, the chances are she could have been to England, Japan, Australia, Bahrain, HongKong, Macau, etc. There are some who can even speak dutch well. Their saying is i learnt from school. Load of crap. The only way to learn the language well is when you are at the country using it and applying it every day. Most GL girls can speak Chinese and Hokkien very well.

Now I can speak the Thai Language. next year will be the time where I seriously get down to reading and writing it. The day when I accomplished that, I will read out to Nana the thai newspapers. My personal accomplishment where she said it was impossible.

hahaha
SC

[liketoplay]

Originally posted by CIMKing
That is exactly the wrong thinking..haha...sometimes, it's better to admit to yourself u r a big fool...will hurt less. What is your definition of her real feelings are real or not? Is it she loves u jing jing? Or is it she loves u jing jing ONLY? There's a big diff u know? If you are looking for the latter, then i suggest u better admit u r a fool now...b4 u get hurt/disillusioned/disappointed. The fact is they simply have too much choice liao...that's the problem..haha.

From making love in my house to visiting her house to introducing me to her whole village and best friends in BKK, how can I say my 2 friends' feelings were not real? But was I the only one? At no point in time was i the only one. Can you take it when she asks you how to sms "Taa khun mee welaa wang, khun toh haa chan dai" in English? Sitting together on her sofa in rural Phayao, she was definitely not msging me. And I still have to answer with a straight face "If you have free time, you can call me". She had the courteousy to say thanks and 3 minutes later, she receives the call, face lit up in elation, and rushed into her room, all the while conversing in her broken English but afraid I could hear her. What do you think? haha...

The first ger I fell for (lost contact liao). she was in her last 3 months in SG liao...after countless mind games, I thought, I want to be the "ultimate tirak"..and how to know for sure? I reckoned the below will give me a gd indication.
1) I want to bring her out,
2) I want to bring her home,
3) I must be the one with her on her last day in SG and see her off at the airport
4) I want to visit her home in Myanmar.
All of the above she promised me but din materialise. Nevermind, I thought, I'll do better next time.

The second ger comes along. I wasn't convinced but after many many things happened, in the end I believed "her feelings for me were real".
1) I brought her out
2) I brought her home
3) I was the one with her on her last day here and saw her off at the airport.

But you know what?
1) She din just go out with me. Her gd friend confessed after she went Lon.
2) She din just go my house. Her gd friend also confessed.
3) 2 other guys also saw her off at the airport.
4) I din get to visit her in BKK and her home because she went London b4 I could go and I know she wasn't enthuisaistic abt me visiting.
I was disillusioned. Still not the "ultimate tirak". Nevermind, I'll do better next time.

The third ger came along.
1) I brought her out
2) I brought her home
3) I went home with her on her last day somemore.
4) I even visited her a second time in BKK to meet her best friend and went to her house together.

Am I now the "ultimate tirak"? I have "achieved" all my goals u know? No! She is still going to come here and work (she was a FL in SG) here on a 2 year visa because the lure of the money she can earn is simply irresistible. And is she still seeing other guys? U bet she is, and she will. She got to keep her customer base. And make the full use of these carrots.

What's the point of finally "achieving" all these? Must I now aim to screw the next ger in her own house? And then she will be mine only? C'mon lah...


thank you for contributing your experience and advice. will open my eyes wide but its too early to say that I've been a fool.

[GiddlyGook]

I understand this is common practice in socialist Europe (oh take your pick: Germany, the Sandinavian countries etc) - WLs enter into a "paper marriage" in which they pay a guy to marry (and later fuck off) them so they can stay and work.

Cannot do this easily in the UK though so that's why she had to go the "extra mile" and bring back the dude and all through all that charade.

Originally posted by siamcutey

My own discovery,
The marriage is to facilitate her visa so that she can go back to England again and ply her trade. Imagine they can marry any Tom Dick and Harry so as to go to a place and work. Dangerous.

[GiddlyGook]

Dude - I lived in Japan for 2 years in the mid-nineties and till today, I have no IDEA how all these WLs come to Japan so easily.

Man, anybody who frequently goes through Narita Airport can tell you this: anytime Air Phillipines is about to take off for Manila from Narita - just watch the ratio of WLs to regular pax at the gate - it always seems to me like it's like 80:20. I have never seen that many WLs congregate at one place. And hot too.

And a lot of the WLs you see in Tokyo are really legal or illegal Chinese mainlanders - unless you speak Japanese you won't be able to tell that they have a foreign accent - they speak the language well. It's like Japanese rice (the true short-grain stuff they grow in Japan) - unless you're Japanese, you won't be able to tell the difference from Japanese short-grain rice (exactly the same seed variety) grown in Korea or California.

Originally posted by CIMKing

Jeab also wanted to go Japan but I think visa hard to get. I think the whole H32 wanted to go lah...

[edkoh2000]

Originally posted by siamcutey
May I ask how much do you think will be enough to replace their income? Bearing in mind they are earning at least 50K baht and more in the trade. (Most often is more). I am sure many guys dd gave the commitment to take care of them.

Let's say for instance I give 50K baht a month, she quit the scene. But then you are not together with her. What she do everyday at home? Stay and sleep at home? Go shopping watch movies alone? They need company. And who are the people they knew? The WLs. Everyday their conversation will consists of how many sessions they do, how much they earn from this Robert, where is the most ideal place in the world to "do business". If they have the simple idea on what business or work to do, they wouldn't do the flesh trade. You and I got to admit. Its fucking easy money.

So who do they turn to? Their friends and the local siam kias who come and sweet talk. You ever seen siam kias pick up their wives at MPs after work? You ever seen them sending their wives to hotels let people F? And when some of these girls when they have foreign boyfriends coming over, the siamkias will evacuate. or guest appearance as the ever loving Pii Chai. Look around in their family and you might even discover the little brother or sister in the family might be the lovechild of the siamkia and your gf. Don't worry, as for covering up, they are a class above everyone. From the family to the whole village.

So where does your money go at the end of the day?1 end you are simply just busy earning money for them to withdraw from your ATM.

Remember the 24/7 thing? That is when you don't even need to pay that amount every month. How much is needed for the family, food, acomms, etc is all easily calculated and you realise you save much much more. And also you will realise that the WLs will not even come visit her so often. Especially when you know the thai language, they wouldn't even talk about tam ngaan.

SC

My dear brother SC

Everyone here knows how you feel, there is no need to keep preaching it. I ask the question because I don't want to ASS.U.ME and make an ASS out of everyone.

How much to replace their income really depends on a lot of factors. Whether they are working in BKK, Geyland Singapore, Hatyai or some other place.

Many of your advice make sense and NO ONE is saying you are wrong or doubt your experience with Thai people.:rolleyes:

Still as chinese saying goes...do not use a rod to overturned a whole boat of people.

NOT every girl is so greedy though I must admit the longer they have been in the scene, the likely they are to get influenced. So getting them away from the scene ASAP is a good idea provided they want to as well. NOT every girl really enjoy THAT scene. Some really do want to GET out and live a normal life.:cool:

You are speaking from your experiences, others as well. Their experience is JUST as REAL. You maybe speaking from your MANY experiences while others might be speaking about ONLY ONE experience, still theirs is just as TRUE.

[vaxvms]

Phee EDKOH2000
Agree tat not all TG are greedy but how "lucky" are u able to find one tat true;y love U and not ur $ ??
MAybe U are one if the lucky one
U are give the relationship a try but advise not to invloved too much in dollar and cent
TG are very emtional till sometime we cannot even see whether their feeling is fake or real
Sometime we just need to learn it the hard way :(

SANUK!!!

[vaxvms]

Originally posted by siamcutey

Now I can speak the Thai Language. next year will be the time where I seriously get down to reading and writing it. The day when I accomplished that, I will read out to Nana the thai newspapers. My personal accomplishment where she said it was impossible.

hahaha
SC

Hope ur 2004 resolution come true!!!

[free]

Originally posted by siamcutey

Now I can speak the Thai Language. next year will be the time where I seriously get down to reading and writing it. The day when I accomplished that, I will read out to Nana the thai newspapers. My personal accomplishment where she said it was impossible.

hahaha
SC [/B]
Hey bro, it can be done. I started by writing a letter in simple broken English (more thai-styled English really) and then translated it (tediously) into Thai. She emailed me back a corrected version, like I do for her english letters. Recently she translated an English poem for a friend into Thai and emailed me back the Thai words only. Problem was that for some reasons, Hotmail must have jumbled up the paragrahing, and the number of lines in the Thai poem dun match with the English ones. Had to painstakingly decipher the Thai words and re-arrange the sentences to match the English poem. Would have been easier to get her to re-send but I wanna do it myself. And I did - 4 months after I started. Looks like a 1-year target is not that impossible, though tough, I must say.

You re there, so learning thai should be so much easier for you. My test will come in Jan when I meet her parents face to face.

[free]

Originally posted by edkoh2000
My dear brother SC

Everyone here knows how you feel, there is no need to keep preaching it. I ask the question because I don't want to ASS.U.ME and make an ASS out of everyone.

How much to replace their income really depends on a lot of factors. Whether they are working in BKK, Geyland Singapore, Hatyai or some other place.

Many of your advice make sense and NO ONE is saying you are wrong or doubt your experience with Thai people.

Still as chinese saying goes...do not use a rod to overturned a whole boat of people.

NOT every girl is so greedy though I must admit the longer they have been in the scene, the likely they are to get influenced. So getting them away from the scene ASAP is a good idea provided they want to as well. NOT every girl really enjoy THAT scene. Some really do want to GET out and live a normal life.

You are speaking from your experiences, others as well. Their experience is JUST as REAL. You maybe speaking from your MANY experiences while others might be speaking about ONLY ONE experience, still theirs is just as TRUE.
Yes, when I compare the stories I heard/read and even see for myself the many cases I know, with that of my own LDT journey, I can only be thankful that my situation is SO different (and she is not a BKKian nor live there anyway). Bros may be skeptical but I dun see the need to wait till "Death Do Us Part" to say that she has been true to me, and that I am the only guy in her life (like for me with her too). To do so would be to ignore all the facts and "proofs" before me (she never had to try to prove herself to me - it is just by the life she leads now).

Note: I do agree that sometimes even when the gal is a good one, like the girlfirend of a American I know (she studied and lived in the USA for 6years), parental pressure for the farang's money can still break them up. He refused to "cheapen" their love r/s (1.5 years together) by giving in to the parents (& give money/gifts the mother hinted at and literally asked for) and she was not able to separate herself from the parent's issue. In the end, they broke up, amidst the tears and heartaches. Till today, they probably still love each other, but their love was not to be.

I for one, know that I am blessed. My gal's parents belong to the generation where they live a contented life & do not worship materials, nor even approve of her having a boyfriend while still in Uni (still school to them). The short coming would be that any signs of being intimate (maybe even holding hands) in front of them will be frowned upon :(. But I can live with that. Buying a meeting gift is itself a headache cos I am not allowed to buy anything expensive or ostentatious, yet I want to reflect that fact that I value her :). For many other bros, I know it will probably be a case of "the bigger the better". Not so for me.

[CIMKing]

Originally posted by edkoh2000
I must thank you brother CIM for sharing your painful experience. Now I understand better why you feel the way you do.

Can I ask a personal question? Of all the 3 girls, did you propose to replace their income after they quit the scene and named you the only lover/bf ? Did you at any point propose a commitment to take care of them for now and for the future?

The 2nd girl sort of expected me to support her when she first told me I can work in SG while she have baby back in BKK..but later on, she realised I was earning peanuts and she kinda of din expect anything from me. However, I knew that she was a bit resentful b4 she went London, about me not being able to support her like her gf's bfs do. Partly also because I refused to commit myself financially after I talked to bro Yomun and the trust was gone.

The 3rd girl, very paiseh to say, I did suggest a commitment. But she knew how much I earn and she was very frank, very pragmatic, in telling me that it can't work out the way I envisaged. I was told to "kit dee dee"..haha. She said many other things lah,...she "pen puying mai dee"..because many custs a day, thaio disco yerh yerh, gin yaa and stuff. I said if she have bf cannot work liao..cannot, and she din want bf to kit maak maak while she's working..and so on. Basically, from her point of view, dropping everything to be with me is simply too great a sacrifice, because she knew I cannot provide her with as much as she can earn in this line, a huge opportunity cost in terms of money and the choice of guys she can choose from. After all, she's only 20 and she kept saying she only wanna settle down by age 28. That's between the lines of cos but I think u can see what she's thinking.

[CIMKing]

Originally posted by siamcutey
May I ask how much do you think will be enough to replace their income? Bearing in mind they are earning at least 50K baht and more in the trade. (Most often is more). I am sure many guys dd gave the commitment to take care of them.

Let's say for instance I give 50K baht a month, she quit the scene. But then you are not together with her. What she do everyday at home? Stay and sleep at home? Go shopping watch movies alone? They need company. And who are the people they knew? The WLs. Everyday their conversation will consists of how many sessions they do, how much they earn from this Robert, where is the most ideal place in the world to "do business". If they have the simple idea on what business or work to do, they wouldn't do the flesh trade. You and I got to admit. Its fucking easy money.

SC

Yeah man...u say for me liao. Most of their thinking is not u can take care of them comfortably can liao. They will not be contented.

It is the amount u can provide VS the money they can earn. IF the former is more than the latter, then u might stand a chance. And u haven't gotten to the how-she's-going-to-spend-her-life practical issues yet.

Life is not so simple and beautiful whereby when u give them the promise of emotional and financial committment, then they are going to be so touched and swept off their feet, and stay by your side forever and ever.

SC cannot be more right. U cannot ignore these most minor of everyday issues...and the kind of influence her friends can pull over her. Can you seriously convince yourself she can start life afresh, stay in that shop u bought her everyday and change all her friends, and make a whole new circle of non-WL friends?

You might really have found such a girl. But to other bros out there, my point is, their chances are not high. Do give it a good thought. Take care.

[edkoh2000]

Originally posted by CIMKing
The 2nd girl sort of expected me to support her when she first told me I can work in SG while she have baby back in BKK..but later on, she realised I was earning peanuts and she kinda of din expect anything from me. However, I knew that she was a bit resentful b4 she went London, about me not being able to support her like her gf's bfs do. Partly also because I refused to commit myself financially after I talked to bro Yomun and the trust was gone.

The 3rd girl, very paiseh to say, I did suggest a commitment. But she knew how much I earn and she was very frank, very pragmatic, in telling me that it can't work out the way I envisaged. I was told to "kit dee dee"..haha. She said many other things lah,...she "pen puying mai dee"..because many custs a day, thaio disco yerh yerh, gin yaa and stuff. I said if she have bf cannot work liao..cannot, and she din want bf to kit maak maak while she's working..and so on. Basically, from her point of view, dropping everything to be with me is simply too great a sacrifice, because she knew I cannot provide her with as much as she can earn in this line, a huge opportunity cost in terms of money and the choice of guys she can choose from. After all, she's only 20 and she kept saying she only wanna settle down by age 28. That's between the lines of cos but I think u can see what she's thinking.

Thanks for explaining. Again now I understand better.

While it may be a strange notion for some of us to link $ with love, it is kinda of natural to the Thais. In the old days of our ancestors generation when the womanhood can't earn a living by themselves, they also expect guys to provide for them.

Many of our Singapore girls are also unwilling to give up their single upwardly mobile career and lifestyle to settle down and get married.

Sometimes age, family background and many other factors does come into consideration.

Still I wish you good luck brother CIMKing in future love relationship whether whatever country they come from.

[edkoh2000]

Originally posted by vaxvms
Phee EDKOH2000
Agree tat not all TG are greedy but how "lucky" are u able to find one tat true;y love U and not ur $ ??
MAybe U are one if the lucky one
U are give the relationship a try but advise not to invloved too much in dollar and cent
TG are very emtional till sometime we cannot even see whether their feeling is fake or real
Sometime we just need to learn it the hard way :(

SANUK!!!

Thanks for your concern. I am not rich and does not come from a rich family also. Every single dollar is hard earned. It not so easy to get me to part with my money...:D

I also had my fair share of relationship with Sing girls before I venture into thai territory and they are just as material if not worse.

I am perhaps lucky in the sense that $ did not have a chance to come into play "yet" in my previous 2 "relationships" with Thai working girls. It was just the beginning and because of some other issues, I decided to drop them admit somewhat painfully. The 2nd one I did like very much but I just couldn't stand her drinking ways. Funny thing is that her previous Malaysian boyfriend also drop her because of that yet she still never learn.

Also I would never dream of even trying a soapy girl especially if she is a BKK superstar. The kind of $ they made is almost impossible to replace or ask them to give up.

[free]

Originally posted by edkoh2000
Thanks for your concern. I am not rich and does not come from a rich family also. Every single dollar is hard earned. It not so easy to get me to part with my money...:D

I also had my fair share of relationship with Sing girls before I venture into thai territory and they are just as material if not worse.

I am perhaps lucky in the sense that $ did not have a chance to come into play "yet" in my previous 2 "relationships" with Thai working girls. It was just the beginning and because of some other issues, I decided to drop them admit somewhat painfully. The 2nd one I did like very much but I just couldn't stand her drinking ways. Funny thing is that her previous Malaysian boyfriend also drop her because of that yet she still never learn.

Also I would never dream of even trying a soapy girl especially if she is a BKK superstar. The kind of $ they made is almost impossible to replace or ask them to give up.
Same here for me. My experience with SG gers are such that on top of the 5C's they also want a lot of attention. Always told them "You can have one or the other, unless you are happy with a bit of both", but no, they want everything. Yet when they are into their career, the guy takes a back seat.

Now I got me a ger who doesn't drink, smoke, gamble nor party (like I dun), and on top of that, she is intelligent yet not career-minded, beautiful yet not vain, strong yet gentle, posseses leadership qualities yet is submissive to me. Very hard to find someone like her anywhere, not just here in SG. Even more - she accepts her place as a supporting role in the family (learns from the parents) and is the wind beneath my wings. While I may be OK financially, I came from a poor background and will not squander money away. Good thing is that she shares similar background and therefore is prudent with money as well. More often than not, I am the one who got to convince her to accept what I bought for her, instead of her asking me to buy. And if she buys me small presents (with the little she has - so all the more precious to me), she dun even dare to ask me anymore, cos she knows my answer is "I dun need it - save the money for yourself". I telll u, I treasure every little gift she has given me, as they came not out of abundance, but from the little she has saved up, so they meant doubly as much.

[glycemia01]

hey dudes....long time no see.

anyone here staying in bangkok? i will be going there next week........some tirak problems(she's gonna get married soon and according to her it's her parent's who wants her to marry).....although not worth going but i still want to go.....u know...."we're still run by our emotions no matter what ppl tell us".........i guess result of a weak mind.

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by edkoh2000
My dear brother SC

Everyone here knows how you feel, there is no need to keep preaching it. I ask the question because I don't want to ASS.U.ME and make an ASS out of everyone.

How much to replace their income really depends on a lot of factors. Whether they are working in BKK, Geyland Singapore, Hatyai or some other place.

Many of your advice make sense and NO ONE is saying you are wrong or doubt your experience with Thai people.:rolleyes:

Still as chinese saying goes...do not use a rod to overturned a whole boat of people.

NOT every girl is so greedy though I must admit the longer they have been in the scene, the likely they are to get influenced. So getting them away from the scene ASAP is a good idea provided they want to as well. NOT every girl really enjoy THAT scene. Some really do want to GET out and live a normal life.:cool:

You are speaking from your experiences, others as well. Their experience is JUST as REAL. You maybe speaking from your MANY experiences while others might be speaking about ONLY ONE experience, still theirs is just as TRUE.

First of all, there is no need to make an Ass out of anyone. If I do and can get a cent out from it, I sure make an ass out of everyone. Its for discussion and I see more people giving their views which is encouraging.

I understand the meaning of using a rod to overturn a whole boat of people. In English, we term it as generalizing this whole boat of people as one.

However, today I had any slight discussion with some singapore brothers again. We are dealing with Thai girls, so we must put ourselves in the Thai culture and not the Chinese Culture nor the English Culture when we describe the scenarios.

Will any of you allow your wife to work in the flesh trade? Non, I believe. Why? Because we are brought up from our culture from young its wrong and abnormal. But the Thais? Its not uncommon to see married thai girls working in the flesh trade to support the husband and the family. The husbands don't mind as she brings the dough home. Some even became drivers by picking up their wives after work from massage parlours.

No one is expected to really listen and follow what I say. Just like CIMKing and many others, we exchanged PMs. I told him certain things that he did was of no use. But still I believed he went ahead with it. He wasn't doing it to prove me wrong, cos there wasn't a need to do that. He wasn't doing it cos he feels his heart tells him he must do it. To a certain extent, it was good, cos only in the picture will he understand what really is in store for him down the path. Though the experience made him poorer, but it made him richer in experience.

Check CIMKing's profile and search through the postings he wrote, you will understand what I mean.

There will be success cases. But what I am highlighting here are the pitfalls where everyone should take note. Will you jump into a pitfall when you see one? You wouldn't, you will prepare yourself not to jump into it.

SC

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by CIMKing
Yeah man...u say for me liao. Most of their thinking is not u can take care of them comfortably can liao. They will not be contented.

It is the amount u can provide VS the money they can earn. IF the former is more than the latter, then u might stand a chance. And u haven't gotten to the how-she's-going-to-spend-her-life practical issues yet.

Life is not so simple and beautiful whereby when u give them the promise of emotional and financial committment, then they are going to be so touched and swept off their feet, and stay by your side forever and ever.

SC cannot be more right. U cannot ignore these most minor of everyday issues...and the kind of influence her friends can pull over her. Can you seriously convince yourself she can start life afresh, stay in that shop u bought her everyday and change all her friends, and make a whole new circle of non-WL friends?

You might really have found such a girl. But to other bros out there, my point is, their chances are not high. Do give it a good thought. Take care.

When thai girls do things, they seldom do solo mission. My friend say this, my friend say that. Some thai girls are even more evil. They afriad of loneliness, and will tend to psycho those who wish to turn a new leaf to FL behind their tirak's back etc. It's common because you are not around her. The influence of these bastard friends are very great. Do not underestimate. Give them a choice of you or friends, friends will be the obvious.

SC

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by GiddlyGook
I understand this is common practice in socialist Europe (oh take your pick: Germany, the Sandinavian countries etc) - WLs enter into a "paper marriage" in which they pay a guy to marry (and later fuck off) them so they can stay and work.

Cannot do this easily in the UK though so that's why she had to go the "extra mile" and bring back the dude and all through all that charade.

In UK, there will be a dummy farang who will come back with her to register marriage and then bring him back to UK so that she can get her visa to extend.

Not forgetting the tax amount they have to pay the agents and the dummy.
My heart did felt a tinge of sadness when I heard this news the last time. Not because she got married, but felt sad that someone I once loved could actually do that.

SC

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by glycemia01
hey dudes....long time no see.

anyone here staying in bangkok? i will be going there next week........some tirak problems(she's gonna get married soon and according to her it's her parent's who wants her to marry).....although not worth going but i still want to go.....u know...."we're still run by our emotions no matter what ppl tell us".........i guess result of a weak mind.

Yo Bro,

So you want to meet up someone to share with him your problems? But you already made a choice, and I am sure you would be more sad when you come Thailand than staying in Singapore. Your heart tells you, I MUST COME, but your head tells you, WHAT SHOULD I DO. So no matter who you meet up with, eventually you make the choice.

You must think carefuly will you change anything when you are here. If not, I feel its best you stay behind in Singapore instead.

SC

[sandman101]

Originally posted by CIMKing
Most of their thinking is not u can take care of them comfortably can liao. They will not be contented.

It is the amount u can provide VS the money they can earn. IF the former is more than the latter, then u might stand a chance. And u haven't gotten to the how-she's-going-to-spend-her-life practical issues yet.


bro CIMKing,

Thanks for the important words above. Much appreciated.:)

[sandman101]

Just for discussion, where money is not involved (i.e. you do not give the girl money each time you see her), what does it mean? Are we just foreigners who are a welcome distraction from their life's routine?

[CIMKing]

Originally posted by siamcutey
Yo Bro,

So you want to meet up someone to share with him your problems? But you already made a choice, and I am sure you would be more sad when you come Thailand than staying in Singapore. Your heart tells you, I MUST COME, but your head tells you, WHAT SHOULD I DO. So no matter who you meet up with, eventually you make the choice.

You must think carefuly will you change anything when you are here. If not, I feel its best you stay behind in Singapore instead.

SC

If I were him, I will still go. Rationally knowing that he can't change anything will not stop that urge to go. For me, only when I go and see for myself...then will I really get the idea. And the next time if this happens again, there will be no more conflicts between heart and head. Because by then, I would really have understood the situation. Hope bro glycermia01 comes round to it with the least possible pain and disappointment.

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by sandman101
Just for discussion, where money is not involved (i.e. you do not give the girl money each time you see her), what does it mean? Are we just foreigners who are a welcome distraction from their life's routine?

hahaha, a very coincidence when me and a group of friends were talking on the point of no money involved yesterday night.

As every scenario is different,
First of all, you must ask yourself, which other areas you are actually giving her money in. Of course, we don't talk about food all this. It would be a bastard to say that we shouldn't even give them the minimum amount to eat and survive.

2ndly, do you think she appreciates the things you have done for her in life. There are some who actually offered to help their tiraks in some of the finances. There's actually nothing wrong in it. But it comes to a point when the Thai Girl behinds your back starts to say, "C'mn this cheapskate only give me so little, how is it enough for me to survive? He really thinks I am no longer working. Yes, I am not working, as this is even easier money than opening legs." The least decency that anyone wants here is the little appreciation that he deserves but he didn't get it. He only got it through the mouth of the Girl, but not through her heart. She might tell you the jewellery she got from you is beautiful, but behind your back, she will tell her friends, "this thing is fucking cheapskate. My so-and-so sponsor before that has given me a bigger one and he thinks I am going to stay with him for life."

3rdly, my ex tirak never asked me for money for more than a year. I did offer her help, but deep inside I knew she doesn't need as she had a big chunk of savings from her tour in GL. For that I was lucky in a sense. But slowly I began to realise what she really needs in life. She doesn't need love. She always tell me she is still young and wants to make the most out of her prime time so that she can buy the things she want in life. Condo, house. I always tell her, in life we must be contented with what with have, etc, but I think she really never got in into her head.

In layman's terms she just wants to make a fast buck while she can. Imagine she ask me whether I will wait for her after she comes back from her tour of duty. I told her, last time she was already in it, so I was in no position to ask her to stop. But now if she has a choice to really stop, she wants to go back. For me, my answer to her is simple. You go back to the trade, I can't be with you anymore. She was trying to test my line.

Initially when we communicated by email I was thinking of telling to come back to me when she finishes her england trip. But then another part of myself just keep ringing the bell saying she can do this to me once, she can do it another time. So my part was , FUCK IT.

Where were the times she told me she simply hate the trade? All this hatred of her work can be erased by fast money. The reason she may be with me, she just feel lonely at times and need company. They need someone to love them. But doesn't mean they will do back the same thing back. So at the end of the day, do you think you get the appreciation you want.

I know many love to compare thai girls with singapore girls. In the past I do that, but slowly I realised they are brought up in different cultures and the way they love their persons is very different. So I wouldn't really say SGp girls are materalistic going for the 5Cs, because even the Thai Girls have their own objectives in life. The kind of environment one is brought up to a certain extent determines what kind of person they will grow up to.

Sad fact in life but this is something we got to accept it.

SC

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by CIMKing
If I were him, I will still go. Rationally knowing that he can't change anything will not stop that urge to go. For me, only when I go and see for myself...then will I really get the idea. And the next time if this happens again, there will be no more conflicts between heart and head. Because by then, I would really have understood the situation. Hope bro glycermia01 comes round to it with the least possible pain and disappointment.

Next week, I will still be here though. ;) Sometimes i do feel very sad for people when they say their tiraks are getting married but not to them. But I hope it will be a life-long experience which he remembers down memory lane as this is something we don't get in school text books. Some people wake up, some live in self denial for the rest of their lifes asking WHY WHY WHY? Sad but true.

SC

[CIMKing]

Originally posted by sandman101
Just for discussion, where money is not involved (i.e. you do not give the girl money each time you see her), what does it mean? Are we just foreigners who are a welcome distraction from their life's routine?

In my case, I ask myself why does the 2nd ger still expect me to call her everyday when she's in London? When she cannot derive any monetary benefits from me? When she dun even expect me to visit her becos she knew abt my work commitments and the expensive ticket to go there.

I ask myself why the 3rd ger brought me home a second time and still wanted me to go visit her again. When she clearly does not love me and we can hardly communicate half the time (my terrible Thai and Glan is not that fantastic yet). When she finds every excuse not to sleep together with me in her house. She would rather sleep in the living room.

My conclusion can only be that I'm a foreigner who is a welcome distraction from their life's routine. If I allow myslef to think further, who knows, maybe they really see me as a friend? But the idea is that I know it's never beyond that, whatever sweet words they tell u.

Just a friend,
CIMKing

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by CIMKing
In my case, I ask myself why does the 2nd ger still expect me to call her everyday when she's in London? When she cannot derive any monetary benefits from me? When she dun even expect me to visit her becos she knew abt my work commitments and the expensive ticket to go there.


Just a friend,
CIMKing

Tell her frankly, you are just a poor useless chap who can't provide enough for his tirak as what her gf's friends could. But you still miss her and hopes she can send some money over to you to tide over your hard period. She is now making big bucks where Short time is 60 pounds start for 30 mins. She could well afford to call you back, and remember to give her your bank account so that she can TT you some money.

If she ever did that, give it as offerings to the Gods to build her karma. She needs lots of it.

SC

[thaiboy]

Originally posted by liketoplay
thank you for contributing your experience and advice. will open my eyes wide but its too early to say that I've been a fool.

Don't be too confident!!!! you are in the drama series chapter 101.

[liketoplay]

Originally posted by thaiboy
Don't be too confident!!!! you are in the drama series chapter 101.


if you know who she is and know anything abt her which I dun , will appreciate a pm from you.
thanx.

[kanasai]

Originally posted by siamcutey
The theory as to how she get her 2 year visa will be at the and had to be sent back.

My motivation to learn thai is when at one time at the beach with Nana, I told her I want to learn thai to communicate with her. She told me I can't. Thai language is very hard and I will not be able to do it. Last time she can talk on the phone in thai while I am beside her. Now no one dares. One thing I learnt, if your tirak can speak English, Japanese, Cantonese or whatever languages quite well, the chances are she could have been to England, Japan, Australia, Bahrain, HongKong, Macau, etc. There are some who can even speak dutch well. Their saying is i learnt from school. Load of crap. The only way to learn the language well is when you are at the country using it and applying it every day. Most GL girls can speak Chinese and Hokkien very well.

Now I can speak the Thai Language. next year will be the time where I seriously get down to reading and writing it. The day when I accomplished that, I will read out to Nana the thai newspapers. My personal accomplishment where she said it was impossible.

hahaha
SC

hmm...i salute your determination to learn.

[siamcutey]

Have you guys seriously asked yourself what kind of guys these girls working in night life really like?

Goody goody boy, good background, rich, flying career? Do you really think they love this kind of man?


SC

[kanasai]

then???

[siamcutey]

Girls in the night life circle, FLs, WLs, PRs, etc, they basically work during the night. The day time is left for sleep. People who work 8-5 normally sleeps in the night. At many a times, these girls expect of having a good man in their life. But when this good man appears, they will start to know this kind of relationship don't really work out for them. They need the extra sparks in life. The man where can keong (hokkien), playful(the cheeky kinds), the man with a kind of bad attitude. But these so called "bad guys" will not give them the luxury the life, they can only provide the fun. The "good guys" can give them the luxury but do not understand what they like. Thai man can accept their wives working in MPs, why men in our culture can't? It's upbringing and confucius ethics. Men can go cheong so can they, but they are 1 step smarter. They use the money of bfs to give gigolos.

I simply see too many of such cases of WLs getting money from their overseas bfs and spending it together with their toyboys. Imagine when a Thai MP girl tells you that she loves going Brew Pavilion (I am sure many of you know who cheong Ratchada know where it is) tells you that she loves going to Brew with her friends so that they can go hook some siam kias when they feel horny for ONS. You think any thai girl will simply tell you that?

Imagine you give them money and behind you they say you look like a stupid fuck and don't even know what they like.

1 Thai girl can have several sponsors at any one time. 1 sponsor 20K, 3 sponsors 60K baht. Easy money? Even easier than open legs. 1-5th of month, tirak 1 comes. 6-10th go for siam kia.11th-15th, tirak 2 comes. 16-20th go for siam kia. 21-25th tirak 3 comes. 26th-30th for siam kia. Clash of schedules of tiraks? She have something on, go back province.

These are just a fraction of some reasons.

SC

[tirak69]

i guess all that needs to be said is already said by well meaning bros on the pitfalls of being with WLs.

at the end of the day we are all mature adults and have to remember its "caveat emptor" when we go out to have fun. have to use the head between our shoulders and not the one between our legs... then all will be clear.;)

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by tirak69
i guess all that needs to be said is already said by well meaning bros on the pitfalls of being with WLs.

at the end of the day we are all mature adults and have to remember its "caveat emptor" when we go out to have fun. have to use the head between our shoulders and not the one between our legs... then all will be clear.;)

But often a time, we know that there's a hole there, but we still keep digging it. Time and money has been wasted and giving it up will be a loss. However, many a times, cutting losses will be better than making more losses.

PS: Found a good place to introduce you some normal girls and OLs. Will bring you around. Yomun is in fantasy land now.

hahaha
SC

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by tirak69
i guess all that needs to be said is already said by well meaning bros on the pitfalls of being with WLs.

at the end of the day we are all mature adults and have to remember its "caveat emptor" when we go out to have fun. have to use the head between our shoulders and not the one between our legs... then all will be clear.;)

Me and Yomun just met an ABC at SSL last night. He has been in Thailand for 1 year plus and I asked him about the night scenes. He said it gets kinda boring of getting involved with such ladies in the night scenes. Because at the end of the day, they lead a different kind of life. And for info, some veterans I knew have already retired from the G Clubs, Dance Clubs, etc cos they realise nothing will work out. And when you ask them to come out, they will tell you now they don't really go nightspots and if they really go, it will be with their gfs (and they will especially emphasise "Normal Girls")

Thats great for a start, because even anyone wants to sponsor these Normal girls, the threshold will be very low, compared to high thresholds for the girls in the night scenes.

Come, I bring you to SSL and you will understand.

hahaha
SC

[keet]

hi bro.. btw wat is SSL ah? thks :)

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by keet
hi bro.. btw wat is SSL ah? thks :)

No problem, when you come BKK, just make an appointment with me or Yomun( if he is in BKK) and we will bring you there. School fees is the 1250baht for the Black label. Mixers, We will pay. You get to keep the bottle too.

SC

[keet]

ok thks. btw how long u been in Bkk? guess your're the most lau-jiao there now.. or shld i say King of Bkk... hehehe :D

ps: any hint where this SSL is located?? me abit rusty liao.

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by keet
ok thks. btw how long u been in Bkk? guess your're the most lau-jiao there now.. or shld i say King of Bkk... hehehe :D

ps: any hint where this SSL is located?? me abit rusty liao.
I am still new bird. There are many lau jiaos who don't post in this forum, becos they have no time to post but only cheong. That's why I learned a lot from them when I meet them up. :)

Join us in our escapades and we will bring you there. Not much foreigners with ang moh only 3 I saw last night. Imagine the place was so packed till you cannot see the floor tiles. And everyone in the hall were simply enjoying. And our yomun this time don't even need to pay PR drinks to get a girl arranging to meet up with him in Christmas.

Gian??? Still not gian, pity the place a bit too dark, or else I take some footage to show you.

Check the Bangkok Cheong Places Thread. We leave this thread for The Private Dancer.

hahaha
SC

[Love888]

Night scene girls.

Grand Master Siamcuety and Master Yonum.

Siamcuety “I am still new bird.” If you say that then I could say maybe other than brother Yonum are at the same level as you not many other brothers can reach your level in terms of nightlife knowledge in Bangkok. Both of you are the best so far I read in sammyboy.

Have read all your comments must say that you all have provided a very accurate perspective on this topic is real life. In my experience these girls take these as part of their job and out to milk us.

I salute both of you for your contribution where other brothers out there could benefit.

Regards Love 888.

[liketoplay]

its easy to talk from a 3rd party point of view . But when you're the one involved in such a relationship , you probably want to see solid evidence before you're convinced of the girl's character.

[keet]

Originally posted by yomun
I'm always keen to meet up with new folks. However there're too many clowns on this forum. Talk cock so much on internet no use. I'd be glad to share info and show people around if they dare to meet me in person.

ok. meeting no problem..me also like to meet in person.
i dont really have time to post so come in once while.

u can check me out in here... (khun pai hah pom tee karng nai.. thaai doo pom pen krai... ok mai? ) ;)

http://pub17.ezboard.com/bsawadee85516
http://forums.delphiforums.com/bkkescapade/start
but sadly both the above quite inactive for sometime liao.
miss the good old days... but anyway found my new nest here and will contribute whatever i have during my numerous years working/living in LOS. :)

[liketoplay]

Originally posted by yomun
Arhhh again again let's switch to Thai mentality mode first. I'm not here to prove I'm right. Contrary to popular belief talking from a 3rd party is never easy. Why? Because sometimes your friend does not want to hear the truth.

I do not proclaim I'm super experienced like Thaiboy and SC. They're in LOS longer than I have. First of all you need to thread down the path before in order to comprehend some illogical actions and situations. No matter how deep or shallow the journey was. Those who have threaded the path before will talk differently. It's not pouring cold water but true facts. Let me tell you some of you this. Don't believe anything on the internet. In fact don't believe anything I say. Those who have threaded the path before will know what's the deal. May buddha/god forgive those who anyhow give advice. Thinking things are as simple as face value. Hope no one got suffered emotionally and financially.

I urge non-believers to come to LOS and deal with MP girls, FLs and those working in the night life on a daily basis over a period
of at least 6 months. Then you tell me your conclusion. I'm not saying all are bad. The really good ones are few and far between. It's like playing computer games. What level are you on when playing? Like RPG games the higher experience points you gained the better you're equiped with to deal with situations.

In regards to solid evidence. By all means try to find out. If it turns out to be negative then maybe you have a solid reason to call it quits. However those experience enough will know what's the deal when the girl is up to no good. No evidence needed.

Eg. Girl is uncontactable for 24hrs.

Chances are:
60% she's fucking or in the company of another man
30% she's dead
10% other reasons (which I won't give a damn also)

A girl that loves you will not remain uncontactable from you.

Their tricks are quite SOP like SAF training directives. Haha. :D

you in Singapore ? free to meet up ?

[siamcutey]

Was at C20 with some friends on the weekend. The place looks less than the usual. Either the patrons have been jaded or they have went other places.

As usual the dancers were all throwing their smiles and gyrating their butts. There was one new dancer. Tried to play a trick on her. I smiled at her and wants to see her reaction and she keeps smiling back and dancing in front of me.

So fake.;)

I asked my sales mamasan, why is it that the smiles of Thai Girls don't seem real. Its seems like a show. As if I am in a movie drama. She told me that smiling opens the heart of the customer. If they don't do that, the customers will not like and also not come back again and buy things for them. With that explanation, she gave me a smile. I gave her a smile back too.

We men, gave them the opportunity to con us big time.

Life is like a drama, Makes it seem as though it is like World Wrestling Entertainment.

jaded
SC

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by yomun
Strange leh I don't feel jaded. SSL whooooo! You where got jaded? Thought your heart is like Gordon Liu's old school kungfu movie 'The 36 Chambers Of Shaolin'. All your 36 doors are closed all the time? :D

I always flip one door open first. Test water. Shang zhai shang zhai. 555!

C20 people know my heart always closed. No amount of smiles can melt me. Not even K**'s. Can ask her to F O too.

Sometimes see so many con people, also feel jaded. Isn't there anyone real?

SC

[meatlover]

Spent the whole of lastnight downloading and finished reading the book ... Really woke up my idea (hope its does so to many others too) ... In fact its very easy to relate to cos we're machiam like Pete or Vernon cos we can't accept hard facts ... The perspective of Joy really tingle the ultimate truth (although the story might not be real) ... I believe most WLs are sharing the same mindset as Joy ... They don't go for the ulitmate kill ... They just hit and run with as many potential preys as possible ...

Sincerely many thanks to SC for sharing with us this book/link which is close to our hearts ...

Regards,
ML

Ps: SC, mind if I post my real life encounter with a WL which is pretty similar with the Pivate Dancer (mine is certainly a shorter version) on your thread?

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by meatlover
Spent the whole of lastnight downloading and finished reading the book ... Really woke up my idea (hope its does so to many others too) ... In fact its very easy to relate to cos we're machiam like Pete or Vernon cos we can't accept hard facts ... The perspective of Joy really tingle the ultimate truth (although the story might not be real) ... I believe most WLs are sharing the same mindset as Joy ... They don't go for the ulitmate kill ... They just hit and run with as many potential preys as possible ...

Sincerely many thanks to SC for sharing with us this book/link which is close to our hearts ...

Regards,
ML

Ps: SC, mind if I post my real life encounter with a WL which is pretty similar with the Pivate Dancer (mine is certainly a shorter version) on your thread?

No problem. You can post your stories. This thread is for people to share the experiences with Thai Girls and their real culture. We have been living in the comfort zone of Singapore, watching too much melodramas and movies such as Titanic to really understand what is the real world.

SC

[meatlover]

Originally posted by siamcutey
No problem. You can post your stories. This thread is for people to share the experiences with Thai Girls and their real culture. We have been living in the comfort zone of Singapore, watching too much melodramas and movies such as Titanic to really understand what is the real world.

SC

Well, my exp didn't actually happened in LOS or with a puying ... It actually took place in the Riau islands ... But I believe the application of KC supplements from these girls are comparable to the puyings (but certainly they're not up to the level of the puyings) ...

Indeed we've been too comfortable in SG as most of us have more than what we need/require ... If we take a look at those developing countries like Thailand or Indonesia ... Its a dog eat dog world out there ... Where their wars are fought on the basis of basic requirements for survival whereas we in SG are fighting wars in the comfort of our offices ... Fighting the war of hitting targets/higher commission, fighting the war of promotion, or a bigger year-end bonus and blah blah blah ...

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by meatlover
Well, my exp didn't actually happened in LOS or with a puying ... It actually took place in the Riau islands ... But I believe the application of KC supplements from these girls are comparable to the puyings (but certainly they're not up to the level of the puyings) ...

Indeed we've been too comfortable in SG as most of us have more than what we need/require ... If we take a look at those developing countries like Thailand or Indonesia ... Its a dog eat dog world out there ... Where their wars are fought on the basis of basic requirements for survival whereas we in SG are fighting wars in the comfort of our offices ... Fighting the war of hitting targets/higher commission, fighting the war of promotion, or a bigger year-end bonus and blah blah blah ...

Every cheongster from day 1 cheong will kenna burned. Its only to the extent of the injuries. Some suffer minor degrees of burn while some die jialat jialat.
Your indo cewek story can add in here too. :)

SC

[tirak69]

Originally posted by siamcutey
C20 people know my heart always closed. No amount of smiles can melt me. Not even K**'s. Can ask her to F O too.

Sometimes see so many con people, also feel jaded. Isn't there anyone real?

SC

feel life is so surreal in bkk sometimes... maybe we are all plugged into the matrix. :D

even seasoned chiongsters sometimes let their guard down and get burned... bkk is fun but things are never what they seem...

just as jaded...

[tirak69]

Originally posted by keet
ok. meeting no problem..me also like to meet in person.
i dont really have time to post so come in once while...
miss the good old days... but anyway found my new nest here and will contribute whatever i have during my numerous years working/living in LOS. :)

lets meet in person also leh... how abt meeting up for a drink at Pern Thai KTV in golden? would like to learn from old birds their experience in LOS... we can tok cok over a bottle of black cat. :D

[tirak69]

Originally posted by siamcutey
Was at C20 with some friends on the weekend. The place looks less than the usual. Either the patrons have been jaded or they have went other places.

As usual the dancers were all throwing their smiles and gyrating their butts. There was one new dancer. Tried to play a trick on her. I smiled at her and wants to see her reaction and she keeps smiling back and dancing in front of me.

So fake.;)

I asked my sales mamasan, why is it that the smiles of Thai Girls don't seem real. Its seems like a show. As if I am in a movie drama. She told me that smiling opens the heart of the customer. If they don't do that, the customers will not like and also not come back again and buy things for them. With that explanation, she gave me a smile. I gave her a smile back too.

We men, gave them the opportunity to con us big time.

Life is like a drama, Makes it seem as though it is like World Wrestling Entertainment.

jaded
SC

u forgot to mention that lying is the forte of gals working the nite scene... promise the sky just to get u to spend $$... after that got 101 excuses to back out or... hand phone no batt and become uncontactable. 555! wats new?

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by tirak69
feel life is so surreal in bkk sometimes... maybe we are all plugged into the matrix. :D

even seasoned chiongsters sometimes let their guard down and get burned... bkk is fun but things are never what they seem...

just as jaded...

Fun for playing but not fun to fall in love.

hahaha
SC

[toothbrush]

yup even experience cheongster also let their gut down sometime, after all they all human who need love and care... they also need to find a place to rest and settle down someday. Sometime even the WL also find tired and need luv at some point of time.... most feel really jaded too

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by toothbrush
hi
i read the Stephen Leather's Private Dancer thread recently and learn alot from it. I realise you guy are very experience.Although i use to work in thailand for about a year plus, i dun think i seen as much as u guy does.....

Maybe due to the place you been. But once you see so much, you feel tired and jaded. Sometimes its this kind of situations you see everyday, your friends around you that involve in this kind of shit that makes you think why.

I still have friends who still haven wake up from their dreams. Those who can should count themselves lucky and remind themselves never to fall into it again.

SC

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by toothbrush
yup even experience cheongster also let their gut down sometime, after all they all human who need love and care... they also need to find a place to rest and settle down someday. Sometime even the WL also find tired and need luv at some point of time.... most feel really jaded too

The day the WLs feel jaded, will be the day their chance has passed. They can't blame anyone. They have to lie in order to survive.

SC

[toothbrush]

Originally posted by siamcutey
The day the WLs feel jaded, will be the day their chance has passed. They can't blame anyone. They have to lie in order to survive.

SC
sometime really pity them, they actually bluff themselve more than anyone else in their life. The person telling the lie feel more unsecure bos they can never know when they lie will be exposed.
i use to have a ex tirak that lie to me, i dunno wheather to expose her bcos im not sure she lie in order to protect herself or not to hurt me......
similar to the half fill water in the cup concept, depend on which side you look at things

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by toothbrush
sometime really pity them, they actually bluff themselve more than anyone else in their life. The person telling the lie feel more unsecure bos they can never know when they lie will be exposed.
i use to have a ex tirak that lie to me, i dunno wheather to expose her bcos im not sure she lie in order to protect herself or not to hurt me......
similar to the half fill water in the cup concept, depend on which side you look at things

The day when they tell the truth, can you handle it? Lies are always beautiful. Nice to hear. No one loves to hear the truth. I am sure the past incident made you see things in a different perspective.

And one thing for sure, when they lie, they never really care about your feelings. It takes 1 lie to cover more lies.

SC

[farark]

Originally posted by siamcutey
It takes 1 lie to cover more lies.
SC

I think a more accurate comment would be it takes many lies to cover one lie...

Just my 2 satangs' worth...

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by farark
I think a more accurate comment would be it takes many lies to cover one lie...

Just my 2 satangs' worth...

Yeah indeed true. How about sharing some of your stories too. Your stories even longer than some drama series.;)

hahaha
SC

[siamcutey]

All characters portrayed in this series are fictitious. Resemblance to anyone in real life is purely coincidential. ;)

==============================================
Geh
"Sawadee Ka, Tirak Ja, why don't call me long time, Khit Teung Khun Mahk Si." (Miss you alot)

It's Fred from Singapore. This must be his 6th trip to Bangkok in 3 months.
Fred is just one of my many customers who loves coming down to Emmanuelle to pay me a visit. I still remembered the 1st time when he came to me, with those nerdy scholarly looks. Yucks, makes me wonder whether any girl in real life will like him. I guess only we girls in this service industry will do that because of the money. Young man in his early 30s, tan bod, but just can't stand the way he dress himself in shirts and pants. Can't he wear any other colours besides blue and white?

Sheesh, better get myself ready for him since he is checking in at Emerald which is just a stone's throw away from here. Hmm, let me see, will he be giving me the LV or the Chanel bag which I showed him the other time saying that I would love to buy 1 with my own money when we went shopping at the Emporium in Sukhumvit 24? Nevermind, I will know how to react if he doesn't catch the hint.

At the same time, I better get a quick bite behind while waiting for him and tell Pii Min that Fred is coming and if anyone asks for me, say I am booked for 2 sessions.

Pii Min
This Fred must be interested in Geh, if not he wouldn't have come Emmanuelle and just call for her only. I remembered his earlier visits where he was going for numerous girls at different visits. Very seldom does he repeat a girl twice, not to mention Geh which is going to be his 5th or 6th visit if I still remembered correctly. In terms of looks, there are some model girls which are younger, better figures, better services. But he doesn't seem to try them again after the 1st visit. Maybe there are chemistry sparks which bring them together, who knows. Fred's a big tipper. Every girl after the session, he tips at least a 1000baht. That's why I always tell the girls to give him BBBJ, 2 shots and girlfriend treatment. Making him happy is part of my service and also not to forget the 500baht tip which of course motivates me to smile and introduce the best of the crop to him.

Fred

Oh mine, I am finally back again after 10 days away from here. Seems more like my 2nd home than Singapore. Wonder how's Geh doing now. Is she waiting for me hug her in my arms? I got her the LV bag and Chanel wallet when we went shopping the other time at the Emporium. Though she refused me to buy for her on the spot, I bet she would never expect me to remember the model of the bags and buy it in Singapore instead. This will sure make her love me even more. The past 10 days seems like weeks to me, but heck, I am now here and going to make full use out of the time I have on hand to give my tirak a memorable time.

I still remembered 8 months back when my dad send me to bangkok to liase with my suppliers. He's getting old, and of course I have to take over the company sooner or later. So might as well hands on now. My father taught me some basic thai as he has been shuttling this country for at least 20 years. He can speak the language well and even read and write a few characters. But what the heck, let me finish the business and contracts in 1-2 days and I will have the rest of the week for myself and Geh. I still remembered the other time when she sent me off at the airport. Her tears flowing down and told me to come back quickly to see her. Other tourists were looking over, some were even blushing, but she didn't even care. She just hugged me tightly. She must have loved me a lot. But now I am back, I will make it up to her and give her the happiest time these few days. My few ex-singaporean girlfriends didn't even bothered to send me off neither receive me when I am back from overseas trip. And not to bother about tears even. To them, their career seems to be of even utmost importance than myself. O shit, never am I going to fall in love with a Singapore girl again. I need the loving care which doesn't seem possible getting it from my ex girlfriends. They always blabber about office politics during our dates. Can't they just understand how vexed I am after a hard day's work and all I get to hear is them blabbering about this Mr Goh, that Mrs Tan. My last trip, on the pretext of giving her some money, I actually took the opportunity to open her bag so that I can see whether she is keeping any guy's photos.

Geh

Oh yeah, the tears. The last time I sent Fred off, he was so touched when I cried. I felt so embarrassed with so many eyes staring at me. Can't they just mind their own business and leave us alone and take us as transparent? I knew I had to do that. From his past conversations with me, he seemed so sad at the way his ex girlfriends treated him. We, Thais are best at giving tender loving care. Making them feel that they are so important to us. Why does all foreigners melt when a girl cries? Look so foolish. I do that to Kit and he wouldn't even bat an eyelid. I ever tried a couple of times at home to make my tears come, but it just wouldn't. The onion trick wouldn't work as I would be exposed if he happens to stuff some money into my bag and gets to see the onions. Finally my friend taught me to think of the saddest thing that happen. Both my parents still alive, so I had to think of something else. The saddest thing that I could think of is the day where my dog passed away after being ran over by a van 5 years back. Tried that a couple of times and it works. Luckily that day at the airport, my tear glands didn't disappoint me.

==============================================
To be continued...

[tirak69]

Originally posted by siamcutey
Yeah indeed true. How about sharing some of your stories too. Your stories even longer than some drama series.;)

hahaha
SC

His story can be the bkk version of "zhen qing". after writing its gonna a few hundred episodes. :p

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by tirak69
His story can be the bkk version of "zhen qing". after writing its gonna a few hundred episodes. :p

If he does that, I think he will get the sack soon and turn full time writer instead.

hahaha
SC

[tirak69]

Well Done! SC has done it again... perhaps you should consider a switch to writing instead...

keep it up... do remember to give this story a title and convert it to a PDF file. ;)

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by tirak69
Well Done! SC has done it again... perhaps you should consider a switch to writing instead...

keep it up... do remember to give this story a title and convert it to a PDF file. ;)

Maybe, but no interest to change to writer. Just write for fun. Writer no future. Unless is erotic literature or harry potter style.


hahaha
SC

[thaiboy]

Naaabey...since when you "eng eng" nothing to do shake legs writing other ppls story.....kekekekekeek

C U 23rd 3rd floor pool

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by thaiboy
Naaabey...since when you "eng eng" nothing to do shake legs writing other ppls story.....kekekekekeek

C U 23rd 3rd floor pool

Play Monopoly kenna suan, write story also kenna suan.
It's my chance to stardom. hahaha, 23rd, seeya at the poolside. You bring the wine, I bring the babes.

hahaha
SC

[thaiboy]

Originally posted by siamcutey
Play Monopoly kenna suan, write story also kenna suan.
It's my chance to stardom. hahaha, 23rd, seeya at the poolside. You bring the wine, I bring the babes.

hahaha
SC

kekekekeke no problem pal and co. 23rd my bird day i'll bring the wine and tweete birds, you bring yomun and co. and maybe we can have a game of monopoly.

[toothbrush]

Uncle siamcutey is giving us valuable thai lesson..... shhh.. everyone dun tok... listen

[siamcutey]

Fred

Reached Emmanuelle at 6.30pm after dropping my luggage at the hotel. Of course, I didn’t forget the presents for her. When I reached the lobby of Emmanuelle, Pii Min and the rest of the cheer guests gave me a warm welcome with the traditional wai. Pii Min told me that Geh has been waiting for me and getting impatient. I gave her a smile and told her not to waste more time by following her to the cashier counter. Upon reaching the counter, I saw my darling. Still as pretty as ever and her smile made me feel like migrating to Thailand straight away. She hug me with her head lying on my chest. I felt so embarrassed as the staff were all staring. Pii Min smiled sheepishly. Pii Min told me to settle the fees later by credit card as I am regular. As usual, the VIP suite is ready for me. I passed Pii Min 500baht, thanked her and went up to my room via the lift. In the lift, Geh gave me a deep kiss. I felt I was the luckiest guy at this moment. When the lift door opened, the chambermaids and waitresses were all staring and smiling. I was led to the suite and ordered some heineken for Geh and myself. It sure feels good to have some drinks for a reunion. The chambermaid brought Geh’s Ta-ka(basket of toiletries) and proceed to set the bathtub with warm water. The drinks arrived shortly and Geh locked the room door after the waitress left. Could see she must have missed me a lot as she jumped right onto me and any pain experienced at my groin area was neutralised by her sweet kiss on my lips. Her tears were flowing down. I asked her why? Geh said it was torturing to wait for me for the past weeks. Especially no one in her life treated her as good as I did. I was flattered and it actually made me felt for her even more. She stripped me to my birthday suit and got me a bathrobe to wear. None of my ex-girlfriends ever bothered doing that to me. They have this so-called man-woman equality rights or whatever. Anyway, now I am in Bangkok, I feel like a King.

Pii Min
Got to hand it to Geh. Now I know how she managed to make this Singapore man fall head over heels on her. Why do foreigners look so stupid? The thais don’t really play such stuff. I guessed our culture makes us more street wise than them. As long as Geh ensures that I get my tip everytime, she can pull whatever tricks she wanted.

Geh
I was waiting behind for Fred when I received news that he was here. My 1st look when I saw him was looking around whether he brought any presents for me. I was happy when I saw a big paper bag. I supposed that’s for me. Anyway, I better don’t make it so obvious or else he may think I am a materialistic girl. Sometimes they just love to hear sweet nothings from girls. I made Fred feel important, helping him take off his shoes and clothes. And of course I could see the bulge he developed while kissing him. I guessed he must be waiting to devour me any moment. I led him to the bathtub, took off my gown and join in the tub. Though I am 27 this year, my figure is curvy at the right places. Fred will never stop keeping his eyes off my body when he sees me naked. I continued frenching him in the tub with 1 hand on his manhood. The eagerness on his eyes made me more sure this Fred is within my grasps any moment. I lathered him with moisturising soap and paid attention on his manhood. It was huge. I washed him off and shocked him by taking his cock deep down my throat. Most of my customers loves me blowing them. However, I normally don’t do 1st-timers condomless. Some had such stinking cocks where even after washing them a couple of times, the smell still lingers. Lucky Fred was clean, I supposed he take good care of his personal hygiene. I gave him a twirl with my tongue and licked his peehole. I could see Fred moaning. This will be the ultimate, my underside of my tongue was flapping against his cockhead. I could even feel him twitching his thighs in between my arms, cramping into my waist. I slower the pace to ease him or else I could die breathless. 1 thing I don’t really understand is why do men love to close their eyes when I give them a blowjob. I thought I should be the one doing that. Anyway, I will not give him a chance to fuck my pussy as it still feels sore after yesterday’s night marathon with Kit. I came 3 times and I had to imagine Fred was Kit as I am now blowing him.

Fred
Geh must have loved my cock a lot. I remained “celibacy vows” for at least 5 days, No masturbation even as I wanted to leave my juices for her. Normally I do prefer blowjobs without cap and until now I am still not sure what attracted me to Geh. The 1st time she blew me, it was with a cap. But the feeling was as if it was condomless. Only on my 3rd trip did she forgo the condom when giving me head. At least it assures me that she is not doing bare back to every customer. I do believe her when she say she don’t do condomless blowjobs to customers as I experienced it before. She seems to enjoy giving head. I felt so good and was enjoying myself in her arms and control. I can’t wait to give her the shot of my life.

Geh
Sometimes men just love to hear us tell white lies when I told him that I don’t do blowjobs without cap. Sometimes the lubricant on the condoms just make me want to puke. Flavoured too sweet. Rimmed and normal ones a bit too bitter. Featherlite still not bad, but if the cock is clean, of course I would take it bare anytime. Fred cums fast, so I fasten my movement hoping that he cums all over my mouth. That I am sure will make him love me even more. However, the trobbing up down movement does make me feel giddy. Any blowjobs that does not make the man cum in 5 minues will give me a bad headache for the rest of the day. Could see Fred twitching his groin telling me he his coming, I bring my mouth all the way to the base of his cock and the tip of my tongue furiously twirling the head. He shot of torrents and torrents of sperm. The load was plenty and some had to flow out from the side of my mouth. I opened my eyes and saw Fred enjoying the moment. He opened his eyes and saw me taking all his cum. I think for a while. Should I or should I not swallow it? Doesn’t taste too bad in my mouth now. Kit’s tasted horrible but yet he still wanted me to swallow it. I did it to please Kit. I pondered for a while with the sperm still in my mouth. I see Fred smiling at me and one gulp, I took it all in and smiled back at Fred. Fred looked shocked. I supposed he must have enjoyed the moment.

[jasl38]

bro SC, thks for recommending such a good book to us.it really makes me know more abt thais(WL). there are many many things that i've learn from this book, for instances-why Levi's jeans is 'impt' to them.;)
although i've never had a r/s with a TG b4 but this book and the discussions in this thread 'prepared' me from getting con..hahaha
thks again for sharing
;)

[toothbrush]

i just read the private dancer.... i guess alot of guy biggest mistake is that we think we know thai gal, understand them and think they love us.
I do not stay there long enough to totally understand the trade but longer than the tourist which just f**k and go back.
There are some similiarity in the story compare to me.
At least now i have a clearer picture from a 3rd person point of
view im much clearer where i stand.
One thing for sure is that $$$ always come first, even my ex-tirak also admit $$$ more important than me (at least she honest with me)
I also stay in her room for abt 1 month everyday, she was not working. Sometime we go out for movie, eating or even with her family outing to Dreamworld. Actually she not like other WL that smile all the time, all this while when im with her, we sometime fight quarrel (bascially due to different habit and cultural different)
But most of the time i realise they think very much of their b@st@$d friend advice. That y alot of evil thought come to their mind.
I have a friend that marry to a thai girl and now currently staying here and live quite happily. Not much of nonense compare to staying thailand..
Im glad that brother siamcutey intro to the private girl story because i use to have the thinking of buiding a hm there...
haha

[tirak69]

i think i know the meeting place... can i join in too? :D

[thaiboy]

Originally posted by tirak69
i think i know the meeting place... can i join in too? :D

yosss when you up over to LOS..????

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by jasl38
bro SC, thks for recommending such a good book to us.it really makes me know more abt thais(WL). there are many many things that i've learn from this book, for instances-why Levi's jeans is 'impt' to them.;)
although i've never had a r/s with a TG b4 but this book and the discussions in this thread 'prepared' me from getting con..hahaha
thks again for sharing
;)

You guys will need to Thank Bro Unforgiven. I knew of this book long time back but then didn't bother to read it. He read it and told me it's a very good book. So I gave myself some time to read it and I still think its a very good read for those especially who cheong. Because we never know when, why or how we will get into some mess unneccessarily.

SC

[CIMKing]

Originally posted by siamcutey
You guys will need to Thank Bro Unforgiven. I knew of this book long time back but then didn't bother to read it. He read it and told me it's a very good book. So I gave myself some time to read it and I still think its a very good read for those especially who cheong. Because we never know when, why or how we will get into some mess unneccessarily.

SC

I just finished the book too. I'm certain the author must have gone thru this shit himself...because I was like..hey how come Pete think the same as me?! All the "aren't I supposed to be her bf, but y she still like that" shit...

A really good book.

[wolf]

HI, bros can I know where to get or buy this book.I know can download for free but my pc hangs everytime I tried to download.
Thanks a million.

[wolf]

HI, bros can I know where to get or buy this book.I know can download for free but my pc hangs everytime I tried to download.
Thanks a million.

[liketoplay]

Its always good to meet up wif bros here so can learn more things and exchange some info... Although Fucking cannot sleep well last night but am better prepared for the worst

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by wolf
HI, bros can I know where to get or buy this book.I know can download for free but my pc hangs everytime I tried to download.
Thanks a million.

The author never really got it published in print, so I think you probably got to use another PC to download it

SC

[siamcutey]

Took a taxi ride on Saturday and following is my conversation with him. Not really long cos only 35baht ride and meter never jumped yet, but was quite nice talking to the taxi driver.

All conversation were in Thai except for the initial conversation where he thought I couldn't speak thai and ask location in English
Taxi Driver --- TD

TD: Sawadee Kup. Where are you going?(English)
SC: I would like to go XXXX Location. (Thai)

TD: Ok, are you a Thai by the way?
SC: Nope, I am not. I am a foreigner.

TD: How come you can speak Thai? You look like a Thai too.
SC: I stay around here for quite some time, and many girls do say I look like Thai.

TD: Oh, you learnt your thai here, I guessed.
SC: Yeap

TD: Mind if I ask do you like Thai Girls?
SC: (In my mind I am thinking is this guy going to bring me somewhere) Yeah, I like Thai Girls. Any meaning behind your question.

TD: No meaning actually, so you come from which country?
SC: I come from Singapore.

TD: Do you like Singapore Girls?
SC: They are fine with me too. Though lookswise, I prefer Thai girls cos with oriental looks.

This is the interesting part

TD: I see. I don't like Thai Girls.
SC: Why?

TD: You should know too. Thai Girls' heart are not true. They are very good in lying. Puying thai Mai Jing Jai, Kohok Keng.
SC: What makes you say that?(trying to act innocent)

TD: Every smile behind is not true. They smile so that they can have advantage. They give damn good Girlfriend treatment to men, but then you will know its damn fake. And they love to lie. Never trust them. I happened to work in Singapore before too
SC: Is it? What work do you do?

TD: I on contract there for almost 2 years. Doing construction work and after that I came back.
SC: I see. So what kind of girls you like since you don't like Thai Girls.

TD: I like Farang Girls. Probably I see them more straight forward. I like their style. But I know they wouldn't like us Thai men.
SC: i am sure there will be one day.

With that, I reached my point of destination. Meter showed 35baht and I passed him 50baht. he passed me back 20 baht and bade me farewell.
Surprised a thai telling me all these and best of all I only paid 30baht for a 35baht taxi ride. 1st time ever happened as he didn't have change. Normally they will just shortchange passengers.

Good Luck to the Taxi Driver.

SC

[TheUnforgiven]

Originally posted by siamcutey
Puying thai Mai Jing Jai, Kohok Keng

Straight from the horse's mouth. This is the best shit I've heard in a long time. haha

[siamcutey]

Fred
My, am I surprised that she actually took it all in. Geh gave me a smile and proceeded to rinse her mouth with the listerine. She did it for me, I should return the favour. Before Geh could signal me to wash my back, I told her its her turn. She looked kind of surprised. But I told I wanted to do something for her since she did something for me. She looked at me gave me a kiss and stood up while I switched positions with her. She looked nervous and I think its her first time she gets serviced rather by servicing customers. Nope, I am not her customer, I am her tirak. I started to kiss her knees, proceeding slowly down to her inner thighs. With my finger I slowly rub against her clitoris. She looks uneasy. I told her to relax while I will do a good job for her. I position my tongue between her pinkish pussy lips and 1 finger still rubbing at her clits. Personally I have practised before cunninglingus on one of my ex-girlfriend before. She even specifically told me where to lick where to rub to stimulate her. Geh’s pussy hair was nicely trimed and the hair didn’t really got into my nose while I was licking it. I could see Geh slowly and slowly putting herself to ease while enjoying my work on her.

Geh
Why do all foreigners love licking the pussies of girls? They must have watched too much porn films thinking that all girls love to have their pussies licked. To us thais, it is very degrading for a thai man to lick the pussy of a thai woman. And we don’t really like men after finishing licking our pussies come immediately to our mouths and start frenching us non-stop. Disgusting men!! Yeah they may think we enjoy it, but they are wrong. Sometimes can’t really help it as it is our job to make them happy, but then can’t they just stop licking our pussies and french us after doing the deed?

In front of Fred, I have to act as though I enjoy it and in my heart, I am praying that he doesn’t kiss me after that. I guess I got to act as though I came so that he will stop.

Fred
I could feel Geh twitching. She’s cumming anytime. I fasten my tongue movement and was using 2 fingers now at her G-spot, trying my best to make her get a good orgasm. Suddenly, Geh used her hands trying to push my head away. When a girl does that, though their actions want us to stop, but in another meaning, it means they want more of it. How can I stop at this crucial moment? I grabbed both her hands with my hands and continue to lick ferociously. In a matter of moments, she stopped struggling and could see her eyes twitching. She’s enjoying every moment of it, I guessed. I leaned forward going to kiss her on her lips when she opened her eyes and gave me a big hug instead. “I Love You, Fred. Thank You”. These words ringed through my ears from her mouth. I hugged her back, thinking to myself how lucky I am.

Geh
After the shower, I dressed both ourselves up in the bathrobes provided and laid at the bed watching TV. Fred keeps looking at my eyes telling me how much he missed me. While my eyes were at the paper bag wondering what he got for me. Suddenly my phone rang. It’s the ringtone of Kit. I got up, picked up the phone and started talking. Kit wants to go Narcissus tonight, but I told him I can’t as Fred is here. Kit doesn’t seem bothered about it and told me that he will be with his buddies tonight, so no worries as he has the room keys. Can’t he just show some concern for me? He never even bothered asking who I am fucking with now. I guessed this may be why I adore and loathe him at times. When I am with my close customers, they always sound so suspicious when I received phone calls from men. But Kit doesn’t do that, he knows its part of my job. But sometimes I wonder whether he can show some care and concern for me even though I am with customers. As for why I like Kit? Can’t really give a definite answer. But he is humourous, loves cracking lewd jokes in front of my friends, making everyone laugh. Not to forget his sweet cool baby face which makes me an envy among my friends whenever someone compliments how handsome he is.

Kit
Great, tonight Geh will not be in. Good chance for me to be with my brothers and also Ann. Hopefully Fred takes her out for the whole night till next morning and I will have all the time for my darling. Geh always wants me to fuck her for the night. Doesn’t she get enough from her customers? Yeah, the initial few fucks were good but then it got a bit way too much. The amount she gives me which I calculated to be around 30K baht, is not even enough for my entertainment. Not to forget my facials and beauty products as well. 30K baht and gifts at times does subsidise a great part of my expenditure and I think I got to endure with it for the moment.

Fred
Why does the handphone always interrupt our sweet little moments? Can’t she just off the phone? Could she be talking to her boyfriend? When Geh put down the phone, she looked at me and told me its her younger brother, Kit. And they will be at Narcissus disco tonight for some fun. Geh asked me how about going there together too. I heaved a sigh of relief. If its her boyfriend, she wouldn’t really be asking me to go there and meet them too. I told Geh that I will be meeting up with some friends instead at other drinking venues and hope she can go along with me. Geh smiled and said no problem. She will follow me wherever I go. Suddenly I remembered that I had my presents for Geh. I stood up, took the paper bag and gave her the bags which I bought for her. Geh’s eyes lit up. Subsequently, tears welled up and she started crying. I immediately went over and held her hands and asked her why. Could it be I got her the wrong ones? She said she was so touched as this is the first time someone actually remembered what she like. She even teased me that luckily she didn’t go to the garage or else I would have to buy her a car. I was amused by her jokes. She really make my day feel bright.

To be continued...

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by yomun
That's when most guys are fooled. The Piichai comes in. Talk to you maciam good friend. Actually is your girl's gigolo or underground lover. Haha! :D

To the girl, the Pii Chai is of secondary importance. They will go work and get money, then when they have time, they will go out with their Pii Chai. Customers to the girls are for them to get money from so that they can give their Pii Chais. Being with the customer as foremost priority doesn't mean they love the customer more than the Pii Chai. It just means they want to get the money and then find an excuse to run away and make love with their Pii Chai. Simple as that. The Pii Chai will not mind his girl sleeping with the customer, cos that is the job.

So think again when you see an FR where the FL frenches the customer like long lost lovers, It isn't real. It's just part of the deal.

hahaha
SC

[bollocksman]

amazing story , just only managed to finished reading it, ( that explains me being MIA ) plus the fact that i am busy having a life.

it has many parallels to real life.bros embarking on bkk trips , its a must read....

enuff said..pple merry christmas and it is a time to reflect, and be happy too

[TheUnforgiven]

Originally posted by siamcutey
To the girl, the Pii Chai is of secondary importance. They will go work and get money, then when they have time, they will go out with their Pii Chai. Customers to the girls are for them to get money from so that they can give their Pii Chais. Being with the customer as foremost priority doesn't mean they love the customer more than the Pii Chai. It just means they want to get the money and then find an excuse to run away and make love with their Pii Chai. Simple as that. The Pii Chai will not mind his girl sleeping with the customer, cos that is the job.


IMHO, the Pii Chai does not mind the girl screwing with customers, because he himself isn't serious about the girl. Like Private Dancer and in the case of your story (Ann), he has some other girl he rather screw. I seriously wonder if a thai man who is seriously in love with a woman will take it easy like the Pii Chai would.

You once told me the story about the guy who lost his business and his wife ended up supporting them by massaging (and screwing) other men. Is this a common story or just some random case?

So think again when you see an FR where the FL frenches the customer like long lost lovers, It isn't real. It's just part of the deal.

As for the frenching thingy, what is frenching to a girl when she opens her love hole and let's some random man insert his dick in? I get tired of reading newbie posts like "Does she like me? Does she treat me different from other customers?" Sigh

Any comments, SC?

[TheUnforgiven]

Originally posted by yomun
We won't allow ourselves to do this as we're brought up with confucious ideology and we're not 100% Thai.

So much for Thai Buddhism. It's all a bloody facade.

[JuzAGal]

It seems you guys are whinning over lost love but can't you guys just settle for a simple nice girl? I mean not all Thai gals are whores right? Breaking away from the life of whores & go back to the main road.

[TheUnforgiven]

Originally posted by JuzAGal
It seems you guys are whinning over lost love but can't you guys just settle for a simple nice girl? I mean not all Thai gals are whores right? Breaking away from the life of whores & go back to the main road.

If you have no idea what the purpose of our discussion is, don't go about assuming that we are "whining for lost love". You only prove to be an irritant.

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by TheUnforgiven
IMHO, the Pii Chai does not mind the girl screwing with customers, because he himself isn't serious about the girl. Like Private Dancer and in the case of your story (Ann), he has some other girl he rather screw. I seriously wonder if a thai man who is seriously in love with a woman will take it easy like the Pii Chai would.

You once told me the story about the guy who lost his business and his wife ended up supporting them by massaging (and screwing) other men. Is this a common story or just some random case?

[B]

As for the frenching thingy, what is frenching to a girl when she opens her love hole and let's some random man insert his dick in? I get tired of reading newbie posts like "Does she like me? Does she treat me different from other customers?" Sigh

Any comments, SC?

You once told me the story about the guy who lost his business and his wife ended up supporting them by massaging (and screwing) other men. Is this a common story or just some random case?

It is a true story.

SC

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by JuzAGal
It seems you guys are whinning over lost love but can't you guys just settle for a simple nice girl? I mean not all Thai gals are whores right? Breaking away from the life of whores & go back to the main road.

This thread serves as a reality check for many people who fell in love with a Thai Girl. No one ever said all Thai Girls are pros. Did any?

By the way, I have a Thai PI whom I recommend to friends. Ever seen Thai Girls who fake their identity as a Uni Student so that they can con men in thailand? Each emails they managed to send out is like an exact template to each and every other of their overseas boyfriend. The Thai Working Girls that con are considered the lowest level in terms of conning men. Those normal Thai Girls that not only take away the money but also the emotions of a man is any one time considered dangerous and best avoided.

Frankly I don't know I say so much you understand or not. You are not even in the Thai Culture.

It takes a Con Man to know a Con Man, and also a Pii Chai to know a Pii Chai.
Please don't lie to me, cos I also always lie.
The role of this thread is to help people to understand the Thai Culture and People in a different way.

Though some may not appreciate this thread, its up to every individual. There are some I managed to actually help them see what is at the end of the tunnel for them. In life, you often see the Thai Girls laughing at the stupidity of foreigners and comparing how much they can Con from them. If one day you can sit down and listen to how this people think, you will not want your own countryman to be conned by them, even though you may not know them.

Khun Mai Rujak Phom Phuut Arai, Kor Mai Tong See Swa Phuut. Kow Jai Reu Plow?

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[JuzAGal]

Originally posted by siamcutey
This thread serves as a reality check for many people who fell in love with a Thai Girl. No one ever said all Thai Girls are pros. Did any?

By the way, I have a Thai PI whom I recommend to friends. Ever seen Thai Girls who fake their identity as a Uni Student so that they can con men in thailand? Each emails they managed to send out is like an exact template to each and every other of their overseas boyfriend. The Thai Working Girls that con are considered the lowest level in terms of conning men. Those normal Thai Girls that not only take away the money but also the emotions of a man is any one time considered dangerous and best avoided.

Frankly I don't know I say so much you understand or not. You are not even in the Thai Culture.

It takes a Con Man to know a Con Man, and also a Pii Chai to know a Pii Chai.
Please don't lie to me, cos I also always lie.
The role of this thread is to help people to understand the Thai Culture and People in a different way.

Though some may not appreciate this thread, its up to every individual. There are some I managed to actually help them see what is at the end of the tunnel for them. In life, you often see the Thai Girls laughing at the stupidity of foreigners and comparing how much they can Con from them. If one day you can sit down and listen to how this people think, you will not want your own countryman to be conned by them, even though you may not know them.

Khun Mai Rujak Phom Phuut Arai, Kor Mai Tong See Swa Phuut. Kow Jai Reu Plow?

SC

Hi siamsutey! Is that you in the picture? If so, you really are cute.
You must be a woman's man. *blush*
Well, you sound like there are not many good Thai women in Thailand.
And I thought Hongkies are the worst lot. Heehee...

[cheongkid]

Originally posted by JuzAGal
Hi siamsutey! Is that you in the picture? If so, you really are cute.
You must be a woman's man. *blush*
Well, you sound like there are not many good Thai women in Thailand.
And I thought Hongkies are the worst lot. Heehee...
No lah, that man in bro siamcutey's avatar is the sex magnate of Thailand, Chuwit Kamolvisit, who owns several massage parlours in Bangkok. He was in the limelight few months back regarding the police taking bribes.

[tirak69]

lets not digress... let this thread remain true to its original objective of sharing experiences of bros who chiong bkk. nothing more, nothing less. :cool:

[free]

Originally posted by yomun
Don't come and hijack this thread and fuck it up. I don't have the patience like Siamcutey and others to explain what this thread is about cuz you don't even know what this thread is about before you start commenting.

Looking at all your past non constructive posts. I think you better shut the fuck up and stop making a fool out of yourself. Many troll's accounts have been deleted by the moderator. Hope you're not the next in line.
Bro Yomun,

Relax. Please do get so upset.
But I definitely agree with you on this one. What the bros are doing here is simply having a very candid discussion on this eBook. Having read the book myself, I think the various views are interesting and to the point. How JustAGal misinterprete it as anything else baffles me. Maybe he has not managed to read the thread from the beginning. I think he ought to, at least briefly if he wishes to comment. Only right for any bros to do that before joining in.

[siamcutey]

1 incident damn farny.

Me and Thaiboy was in some girl's room few nights ago and there was this Sweet Thai Girl who brought a Guy along. Presumably its her boyfriend cos they were holding hands. As they were about to leave for home, Thaiboy was saying it aloud, so this guy is your Pii Chai? All the girls in the room laughed. I almost choked on my drink. In thailand, Pii Chai not only means elder brother, it also means boyfriend but supported by the girl. In other words gigolo. The brother that they can fuck.

The girls in Thailand will understand the meaning of "real Pii Chai".

Given a choice, will you be a Pii Chai or be a Sponsor?

Sponsor --- Give money thinking that the girl loves you but instead the girl only loves the money and using the money to support the Pii Chai. Living in self-denial, thinking that their dream girl loves them only.

Pii Chai --- Take money from the girl and provide some sort of companion for their girl when they are lonely. They don't give a single fuck if the girl is fucking behind their back with many men as their ultimate motive is getting free fucks and money.

Of course, the thai girl in real life will love the Pii Chai only. And not the Sponsor.

Take your pick.

hahaha
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[edkoh2000]

Originally posted by tirak69
original objective of sharing experiences of bros who chiong bkk. nothing more, nothing less. :cool:

Chiong BBK?

Haha...how foolish of me? I actually thought this was a therapeutic thread for guys who suffered thai heartbreaks masquerading itself as one that serves as a warning for newbies.

[sandman101]

Originally posted by siamcutey
1 incident damn farny.

Me and Thaiboy was in some girl's room few nights ago and there was this Sweet Thai Girl who brought a Guy along. Presumably its her boyfriend cos they were holding hands. As they were about to leave for home, Thaiboy was saying it aloud, so this guy is your Pii Chai? All the girls in the room laughed. I almost choked on my drink. In thailand, Pii Chai not only means elder brother, it also means boyfriend but supported by the girl. In other words gigolo. The brother that they can fuck.

The girls in Thailand will understand the meaning of "real Pii Chai".

Given a choice, will you be a Pii Chai or be a Sponsor?

Sponsor --- Give money thinking that the girl loves you but instead the girl only loves the money and using the money to support the Pii Chai. Living in self-denial, thinking that their dream girl loves them only.

Pii Chai --- Take money from the girl and provide some sort of companion for their girl when they are lonely. They don't give a single fuck if the girl is fucking behind their back with many men as their ultimate motive is getting free fucks and money.

Of course, the thai girl in real life will love the Pii Chai only. And not the Sponsor.

Take your pick.

hahaha
SC

B) Pii Chai. Final decision:D

[sandman101]

Originally posted by edkoh2000
Chiong BBK?

Haha...how foolish of me? I actually thought this was a therapeutic thread for guys who suffered thai heartbreaks masquerading itself as one that serves as a warning for newbies.

This thread is like sec school literature class studying the book "Private Dancer". If this book is tested for O level exam, SC sure get A1, but then again, maybe not if he only see one side of story and not other side... hahaha!

Kidding nia... not serious ok?

[liketoplay]

Originally posted by siamcutey
1 incident damn farny.

Me and Thaiboy was in some girl's room few nights ago and there was this Sweet Thai Girl who brought a Guy along. Presumably its her boyfriend cos they were holding hands. As they were about to leave for home, Thaiboy was saying it aloud, so this guy is your Pii Chai? All the girls in the room laughed. I almost choked on my drink. In thailand, Pii Chai not only means elder brother, it also means boyfriend but supported by the girl. In other words gigolo. The brother that they can fuck.

The girls in Thailand will understand the meaning of "real Pii Chai".

Given a choice, will you be a Pii Chai or be a Sponsor?

Sponsor --- Give money thinking that the girl loves you but instead the girl only loves the money and using the money to support the Pii Chai. Living in self-denial, thinking that their dream girl loves them only.


given the above 2 options , definitely PiiChai is a better choice . However , dun think us Singaporean can allow our woman to be fucking behind our back,

Pii Chai --- Take money from the girl and provide some sort of companion for their girl when they are lonely. They don't give a single fuck if the girl is fucking behind their back with many men as their ultimate motive is getting free fucks and money.

Of course, the thai girl in real life will love the Pii Chai only. And not the Sponsor.

Take your pick.

hahaha
SC

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by edkoh2000
Chiong BBK?

Haha...how foolish of me? I actually thought this was a therapeutic thread for guys who suffered thai heartbreaks masquerading itself as one that serves as a warning for newbies.

Maybe a correction.

Cheongsters who cheong Thailand will know what is in store behind the various facades of Land of Smiles. Seasoned guys also kenna the trap at times. They just can't pull themselves out of it, where only bystanders can see what is really happening behind the whole deal.

Be it BKK, Hatyai, Chiang Mai, Phuket, Pattaya, or the rest of the provinces, they all fall into Thailand.

The day we come out and play girls (which is the intention), we better don't let them play us back.

SC

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by sandman101
This thread is like sec school literature class studying the book "Private Dancer". If this book is tested for O level exam, SC sure get A1, but then again, maybe not if he only see one side of story and not other side... hahaha!

Kidding nia... not serious ok?

A1? Maybe not. Many a times, some people who are good in the topic are not able to express themselves well enough, thus maybe getting only B3 or B4. But when you speak to them in real life, you will realise they are able to express themselves better. In exams, they expect a standard answer and don't really give you a chance to express your answer freely. ;)

I ever seen Thai girls conning men on one side and the other end go to the temple weekly to pray. Tamboon. (Offerings)
It depends on different perspective on how one sees. They see it as normal. There is this guy for the taking. He offers himself for slaughter. Why not? Their takings only can give them some money to last their daily life. Having money from a Sponsor enables them to lead a better life. Use their pussies less cos less mileage. But then they don't really love the guy. So at many a times, its the self denial by the sponsor that gives the girls a chance to fleece something out of the deal. There is only so much lies one can tell but at the end of the day, you will be the one to decide whether to believe in the lie or not to believe in it.

SC

[TheUnforgiven]

Originally posted by siamcutey
Khun Mai Rujak Phom Phuut Arai, Kor Mai Tong See Swa Phuut. Kow Jai Reu Plow?

SC

Dek poo ying kao jai pa sa thai mai dai. Kian hai kao ta mai? Sia wayla chai mai? haha

[TheUnforgiven]

Originally posted by yomun
Like I said before some matters we can never understand. No logic. Because we're not 100% Thai. Some girls lie/con to survive. It's just plain old survivor game. They are just being street smart. Singaporeans are too protected. That's why your average chiongster gets burned at times. Yes some girls are dishonest and evil but you can only blame yourself if you bite the hook.

You've lived and interacted with Thai people for quite a period of time already. Once you deal with them on a daily basis. You'll know what's the bullshit going on.

Yes, it's survival. I used to go to church in sec school but I stopped. Why? Because I know I'm not a holy person, why bother myself with the hyprocrisy?

Thai girls are different. They can sell their bodies, cheat men's money and still go temple to pray. What a joke.

Speaking of being cheated, I almost kena once. Remember Counter 2? Thanks to SC, TM and your discouragements, lucky never spend more money on her after that. Also partly due to the fact I scared I get my thing cut off by PO. Hahaha

[tirak99]

Originally posted by TheUnforgiven
Yes, it's survival. I used to go to church in sec school but I stopped. Why? Because I know I'm not a holy person, why bother myself with the hyprocrisy?

Thai girls are different. They can sell their bodies, cheat men's money and still go temple to pray. What a joke.

Speaking of being cheated, I almost kena once. Remember Counter 2? Thanks to SC, TM and your discouragements, lucky never spend more money on her after that. Also partly due to the fact I scared I get my thing cut off by PO. Hahaha


Bro TheUnforgiven, i agreed with u on thai girl sell their bodies, cheat men's money portion. In fact, i kena one but not so hard...learn from the past experience... now i have a caring thai tirak...

Sad 2 said... there is one talk cock hyprocrisy person. like 2 talk big... Not 2 mention the nickname here... Just out of get free fuck and cheated their feeling... when her pregnancy... ask her go abortion without giving her single cent. This is rather irresponsible person...even draw line immediately with her.... he won't feel the pain how she suffer after the abortion...

Never will cheong with him anymore...:mad:

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by tirak99
Bro TheUnforgiven, i agreed with u on thai girl sell their bodies, cheat men's money portion. In fact, i kena one but not so hard...learn from the past experience... now i have a caring thai tirak...

Sad 2 said... there is one talk cock hyprocrisy person. like 2 talk big... Not 2 mention the nickname here... Just out of get free fuck and cheated their feeling... when her pregnancy... ask her go obortion without giving her single cent. This is rather irresponsible person...even draw line immediately with her.... he won't feel the pain how she suffer after the obortion...

Never will cheong with him anymore...:mad:

Though Thai Girls love to con but I remember one saying. To bring oneself to that level to get back at them is no different from them either. Hope that guy never become ultimate Pii Chai by conning money from the girl. This thread only serve as a reality check and warning thread, but not a thread to get back at the girls.

SC

[tirak69]

Originally posted by siamcutey
1 incident damn farny.

Me and Thaiboy was in some girl's room few nights ago and there was this Sweet Thai Girl who brought a Guy along. Presumably its her boyfriend cos they were holding hands. As they were about to leave for home, Thaiboy was saying it aloud, so this guy is your Pii Chai? All the girls in the room laughed. I almost choked on my drink. In thailand, Pii Chai not only means elder brother, it also means boyfriend but supported by the girl. In other words gigolo. The brother that they can fuck.

The girls in Thailand will understand the meaning of "real Pii Chai".

Given a choice, will you be a Pii Chai or be a Sponsor?

Sponsor --- Give money thinking that the girl loves you but instead the girl only loves the money and using the money to support the Pii Chai. Living in self-denial, thinking that their dream girl loves them only.

Pii Chai --- Take money from the girl and provide some sort of companion for their girl when they are lonely. They don't give a single fuck if the girl is fucking behind their back with many men as their ultimate motive is getting free fucks and money.

Of course, the thai girl in real life will love the Pii Chai only. And not the Sponsor.

Take your pick.

hahaha
SC
i prefer to go there with zero expectations and have fun... be a player period. girls can come and go... most important we pay to enjoy ourselves.

[TheUnforgiven]

Originally posted by yomun
Like I always said. Talk so much cock on internet no use. A person with capablility use actions to prove instead of words. This kind of person will get his retribution one day. What comes around goes around. Today doesn't rain doesn't mean tomorrow won't rain. Jai rai (evil) yet mae (motherfucker). Didn't offer the girl even one satang for abortion. :( Buay song come to Meng Jai and find me.

You called him a mother fucker. Wanna know something? This guy doesn't have a mother. His father even go on some chionging trips with him. No wonder he behaves like a fucking scum of an animal. No one to teach him simple morals and ethics mar. This is the third story about this guy I've heard so far. Wasn't surprised at all, not at all.

[siamcutey]

I remembered once a Thai PI once tell me, those MP gers or Go-go bar gers are only considered amateur liars. Those that work in offices, Uni students, have to be even doubly careful of them. Some even acted as Uni Students though they aren't so that they can con school fees and sympathy and once paid to the school, they can get out of the course so that they can get partial fees back. 60-70% better than nothing.

I had the dubious honour of sitting beside a TG one day in an internet cafe. I was looking at her typing english and sending emails to all her "fans". And she even received an overseas phone call from a Aust Guy saying that she had a great time with him and will bring him around again. After the conversation finish, back to the keyboard typing mushy emails to all her fans.

Actually its part of her job, so that she can get more money for her daily life. These guys just paying more "school fees" so that they can learn about the thai culture in a harder way.

hahaha
SC

[TheUnforgiven]

Originally posted by siamcutey
Hope that guy never become ultimate Pii Chai by conning money from the girl.

SC, got a question for you. Do these girls actually address their gigolos as Pi Chai? Just curious.

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by TheUnforgiven
SC, got a question for you. Do these girls actually address their gigolos as Pi Chai? Just curious.

If only with the Gigolo, they address them as boyfriend lor. But in front of other friends or potantial customers, they will address them as Pii Chai.

SC

[siamcutey]

Hway kwang damn small. Got once I tried to go there at 3.30am to avoid some familiar faces. Nabeizzz, still can saw 3. One is a former C20 barlady working in Resort now. The other 2 are the barladies from C20 which you guys knew too.

And guess what, the barlady in Resort is now working as PR and she was driving a big Honda. Maybe from her Sponsor. PR basic pay only 8K, don't know how she can buy. Not really look down on her though but from the financial calculations, I don't know how she can do that from a basic pay of 8k baht (give her total 20K for drinks commission) Still don't think she can make it. Get the drift?

This kind of girls smart. Get Sponsor.

Also, I just heard some news that some Singaporeans are actually sponsoring some teenagers in Provinces of Thailand. And not only that, the money they sponsor are for their drug parties on certain festive occasions. Sponsor too much also no good. Give them too much, they spend on drugs.

In Chinese we phrase it as, Wo Sui Bu Sha Bo Ren, Bo Ren Que Yin Wo Er Si. In English, thought I never kill the person, but indirectly I caused the death.

SC

[tirak69]

i am sure you know why he too busy to write... :p

but we still must encourage him to complete the story... wo men yong yuan zhi chi ni!!!

[siamcutey]

On the job interviewing, researching more true stories so as to write 1 long episode. Getting some tips from the Pii Chais so as to write a more credible story

hahaha
SC

[Relac Fats]

Originally posted by CIMKing
I just finished the book too. I'm certain the author must have gone thru this shit himself...because I was like..hey how come Pete think the same as me?! All the "aren't I supposed to be her bf, but y she still like that" shit...

A really good book.

hehe... so you are also a fan of this book. :)

must say this book provides a great insight to the world of the WLs.

[Darkstorm]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by CIMKing
[B]That is exactly the wrong thinking..haha...sometimes, it's better to admit to yourself u r a big fool...will hurt less. What is your definition of her real feelings are real or not? Is it she loves u jing jing? Or is it she loves u jing jing ONLY? There's a big diff u know? If you are looking for the latter, then i suggest u better admit u r a fool now...b4 u get hurt/disillusioned/disappointed. The fact is they simply have too much choice liao...that's the problem..haha.

From making love in my house to visiting her house to introducing me to her whole village and best friends in BKK, how can I say my 2 friends' feelings were not real? But was I the only one? At no point in time was i the only one. Can you take it when she asks you how to sms "Taa khun mee welaa wang, khun toh haa chan dai" in English? Sitting together on her sofa in rural Phayao, she was definitely not msging me. And I still have to answer with a straight face "If you have free time, you can call me". She had the courteousy to say thanks and 3 minutes later, she receives the call, face lit up in elation, and rushed into her room, all the while conversing in her broken English but afraid I could hear her. What do you think? haha...

The first ger I fell for (lost contact liao). she was in her last 3 months in SG liao...after countless mind games, I thought, I want to be the "ultimate tirak"..and how to know for sure? I reckoned the below will give me a gd indication.
1) I want to bring her out,
2) I want to bring her home,
3) I must be the one with her on her last day in SG and see her off at the airport
4) I want to visit her home in Myanmar.
All of the above she promised me but din materialise. Nevermind, I thought, I'll do better next time.

The second ger comes along. I wasn't convinced but after many many things happened, in the end I believed "her feelings for me were real".
1) I brought her out
2) I brought her home
3) I was the one with her on her last day here and saw her off at the airport.

But you know what?
1) She din just go out with me. Her gd friend confessed after she went Lon.
2) She din just go my house. Her gd friend also confessed.
3) 2 other guys also saw her off at the airport.
4) I din get to visit her in BKK and her home because she went London b4 I could go and I know she wasn't enthuisaistic abt me visiting.
I was disillusioned. Still not the "ultimate tirak". Nevermind, I'll do better next time.

Hi, regarding your point 3) above, may I ask how is it u didn't see the other two guys at the airport when u were seeing her off???
Didn't u see her board the plane?

[Darkstorm]

Originally posted by siamcutey
The theory as to how she get her 2 year visa will be at the end of this post.

So now my turn to tell some parts of my story. I wouldn't really talk about the whole story as it is long for 2 fucking years. But I would take out some scenes and talk about it.

My Ex-tirak's baby name is called nana, easier for me to quote in this scenes

Nana ROD from GL Westerhuot (or should I say ORD). After 1 year of being an Ang Pai in that house, she earned herself at least 40K SGD. Almost a million baht. Practically she can live very very comfortably. She bought a small car. Those small alfas. Costing 200K

She opened a restaurant with her so-called friends, and she is the only one paying the capital. I think they deem her as a money cow as she just came back overseas. Plonked in 300K baht. And in the end, the place did not open even.

At 1 point, she even broke down to me how much she hated the job in GL and wanted to die. You can even see her cry. I was saddened and really wanted to take care of her for life and protect her. Now you ask me, give her a rope, sleeping pills, gasoline tank, penknife, she will never never do that.
(Tears can be faked. Just like thaiboy's signature)

Got a period of time for about 3 weeks, she wasn't contactable. then she called me back, she said she just got back from Australia. She applied there to study english and after 3 weeks she ws back as she was caught for working in a restaurant while on student visa. She was sent back and her hp was stolen by her friend.

Last time I believe her as I was still a naive small little boy. Now you ask me, BULLSHIT. How can they actually apply for studying in English when their English standard is half past fuck? Why she got caught? She was working as a FL and got caught and had to be sent back. My theory sounds more logical than hers.

There was once when she brought me to a pub named Spasso at Grand Erawan. She say its easier for a foreigner to bring both she and her sister in. The music was great. The drinks were expensive. and somehow or another there was a farang who appeared out of no where to talk to her. She told me a friend she knew.
Now you ask me, Spasso is a FL hi-so pub. Thai Girls FL there at a rate of 3000-5000 baht ST. And the farang? I wouldn't be surprised if he was just another customer.

The day we broke up was when she said she wanted to go Japan to work. It has been > a year since she left GL. That time I had came out from NS and was doing decently well. I told her I will give her the money but just don't go. She said she don't want to take my money and she want to earn herself instead. (For that she at least have some conscience or maybe I wasn't rich enough). 1 GL girl told me maybe is not she doesn't want to take my money, it's because I am not rich enough for her. The comment was insulting but nevertheless, it really shook me.

After we broke up, 2 weeks later, called me up for help. She said she is not going Japan anymore and need to pay back the visa fees of 25000baht. She asked me to help her half of it and will return it to me one day. I TT her the money in an hour.

I was like a fucking sad fuck trying to think the world is so beautiful. Nevertheless it take 1 sad fuck to understand another sad fuck.;)

After she paid off her "debts", I still call her. Nana always tells me her dream is to go to a cool weathered place, such as Aust or England and she hated Thailand. She asked me to move over Thailand and stay with her. My rationale that time was to fucking do what there? I told her, I will make the dough and send her the bread. Give me 2 years and I will be there. She didn't wait.

2 weeks later, I called Nana, her younger sister picked up the phone and she was already on the plane to London. The bubble ended. I deserved it. The Sawadee forum people were giving advices on the pitfalls and there behind the monitor I was cursing and swearing at them thinking how could these people be so cruel? The true fact is they are the people who helped me most. They are the ones who really walked the path. For that I really have to thank them.

Nana emailed me when she was in London, and we still communicated. Until one day I couldn't take it and list out all my thoughts. From then she never emailed me back. Now her hotmail account has been discontinued.

I did call up her younger sister once in a while to find out how Nana was. Her younger sister told me she came back with a farang in december last year and got married in thailand and went back to England again.
My own discovery,
The marriage is to facilitate her visa so that she can go back to England again and ply her trade. Imagine they can marry any Tom Dick and Harry so as to go to a place and work. Dangerous.

I didn't really put the blame on her. I was too naive. Living in the comfort zone of Singapore. Coming to Bangkok staying here gave me a full picture of what Thai girls really are. I remembered that pointing 1 finger at the Thai girl saying is her fault is easy, but the other 3 fingers at my palm are actually pointing back at myself. I learned alot from this incident. And the only way 1 person can learn is when he walked down the Thai Memory Lane.

My motivation to learn thai is when at one time at the beach with Nana, I told her I want to learn thai to communicate with her. She told me I can't. Thai language is very hard and I will not be able to do it. Last time she can talk on the phone in thai while I am beside her. Now no one dares. One thing I learnt, if your tirak can speak English, Japanese, Cantonese or whatever languages quite well, the chances are she could have been to England, Japan, Australia, Bahrain, HongKong, Macau, etc. There are some who can even speak dutch well. Their saying is i learnt from school. Load of crap. The only way to learn the language well is when you are at the country using it and applying it every day. Most GL girls can speak Chinese and Hokkien very well.

Now I can speak the Thai Language. next year will be the time where I seriously get down to reading and writing it. The day when I accomplished that, I will read out to Nana the thai newspapers. My personal accomplishment where she said it was impossible.

hahaha
SC Hi

Hi, wow I am struck by your story...I am struck by your experience...(bows).......

I must salute what u have been through...

Hope to learn from you :)

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by Darkstorm
Hi

Hi, wow I am struck by your story...I am struck by your experience...(bows).......

I must salute what u have been through...

Hope to learn from you :)

There are more brothers whom I met with stories worst off than mine. I am considered very lucky. The most important thing is to listen or read all the stories with an open mind. However, if one thinks that his story will be different from others, good luck.

No one loves to tell their own sob story. It's to let others know of the pitfalls hoping that others will not fall in. But when one thinks that his is different, unknowingly, he is closing his mindset and ears to what the people around him says. Remember a bystander will see the picture clearer than the person in it.

I always apply this theory. Whatever a thai girl say to you, only believe 50%. She may be your girlfriend, your wife or the girl you loved most in life, but still only believe 50%.

Time will tell why only believe 50%.

SC

[Hasa Sas]

Originally posted by siamcutey
There are more brothers whom I met with stories worst off than mine. I am considered very lucky. The most important thing is to listen or read all the stories with an open mind. However, if one thinks that his story will be different from others, good luck.

No one loves to tell their own sob story. It's to let others know of the pitfalls hoping that others will not fall in. But when one thinks that his is different, unknowingly, he is closing his mindset and ears to what the people around him says. Remember a bystander will see the picture clearer than the person in it.

I always apply this theory. Whatever a thai girl say to you, only believe 50%. She may be your girlfriend, your wife or the girl you loved most in life, but still only believe 50%.

Time will tell why only believe 50%.

SC

[Hasa Sas]

Originally posted by siamcutey
There are more brothers whom I met with stories worst off than mine. I am considered very lucky. The most important thing is to listen or read all the stories with an open mind. However, if one thinks that his story will be different from others, good luck.

No one loves to tell their own sob story. It's to let others know of the pitfalls hoping that others will not fall in. But when one thinks that his is different, unknowingly, he is closing his mindset and ears to what the people around him says. Remember a bystander will see the picture clearer than the person in it.

I always apply this theory. Whatever a thai girl say to you, only believe 50%. She may be your girlfriend, your wife or the girl you loved most in life, but still only believe 50%.

Time will tell why only believe 50%.

SC

Times flies...so it'll be your responsibilities to help those from falling into the kong Tao trap. Believe you have been constantly helping and giving advices since then.. S7 :)

[MNG69]

Bro SC,

Thanks for your truthful advise.

Great Guy.

[yohjimbo]

Dear brothers
I read with much interest all these posts and would like to contribute my own thots.

Singapore is a small village and we lose our perspectives. The average Singaporean girl is very fortunate as she has education from the word go. If she does not get to Poly or University, at least she has a job as a receptionist or even secretary. The opportunities are there for her to at least go to work, sit in an air con office, can go for movies , save up some money to buy a nice designer handbag or nice clothes from Mango.

If she is ambitious, she can go far with good studies and hard work. She can compete with the guys as they will be two years behind in terms of National Service, also the guys have to do reservist every year. An employer will sometimes weigh the options as a single girl can usually outperform a lot of guys.

On the legal front the girls are well protected from prostitution, con men, molesters and rapists. When it comes to marriage the Women's charter is very powerful, she gets half of everything. (We must thank Mrs Lee Kuan Yew for this!)

If she has children, she has great obstetric care so she will not die in childbirth and her children can be looked after by maids or concerned in laws/parents.

Girls in the big countries like Malaysia and Thailand are not so fortunate.

They do not always have access to education; let alone tertiary education. They have to work in the fields, plantations, factories. By comparison coming to work in Bangkok is a lot easier even as an arb nam girl. Workplace prejuidices, glass ceilings, women's rights, rapists, molesters, asshole husbands......you can imagine the obstacles in their way.
I am not trying to explain their ways and attitudes but you can imagine the perspective in a country with 60 million people.

The same goes with the China girls......as Gong Li says quite wisely about the book "the Crows" talking about the China girls in Singapore...she says that it is a serious matter as it is a matter of survival. We are talking KC , they are talking survival.

In the end I find that one of the most irresistable things that women from less privileged background find in singaporean men that they aspire to is our lifestyle. Unfortunately we are the lifestyle kings in SE Asia. Look at our environments, our education,in short all those things that the government keeps harping about.....we are indeed blessed. Everyone get to have a house over their heads worth at least a six figure sum in their lifetime. We can go for holidays aboard , eat well, enjoy good healthcare, buy etc.

That is my ten cents worth. I am sure that cynicism prevails when we are talking survival in these group of people. I am cool about it and just enjoy their company for the moment. We spin a little cocoon of KC between us and enjoy that little moments of tenderness and care. Outside the cocoon, we are back to talking business and survival. It is business as usual......... Regards and happy new year !!!! Yohjimbo

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by yohjimbo

That is my ten cents worth. I am sure that cynicism prevails when we are talking survival in these group of people. I am cool about it and just enjoy their company for the moment. We spin a little cocoon of KC between us and enjoy that little moments of tenderness and care. Outside the cocoon, we are back to talking business and survival. It is business as usual......... Regards and happy new year !!!! Yohjimbo

But often a times, the cocoon was spun and the problem is one thinks he is outside the cocoon but actually he is trapped in his own web.

The Spider Spirit doesn't even need to spin her web and food is readily available on the table.

Lies are beautiful.

hahaha
SC

[yohjimbo]

Dear All
Actually I am not all that crazy about Singapore and a HDB flat is actually overpriced. New flat to a young couple is $250 per square foot. It is just that they allow you to use CPF and have a long repayment period and you have no choice.

I mentioned all that because the girls looking in at us think that this place is like wow! We know better.

Frankly the emigration out of Singapore is turning into a wave. I am considering Bangkok for retirement because it is so much cheaper, you live like a king, medical services are excellent with Burumgrad(did I spell it correctly)and the like. You can have maids , personal assistants, driivers within your budget, great restaurants, cool bars etc.

Only thing is to wait for Thaksin to clean up the city and Bangkok will be a great place to retire. Cheers Yohjimbo

[yohjimbo]

Dear All
I looked at Thailand like this....this is a land that has 99% literacy in the Thai language ie even a poor farmer in the countryside can read world news in Thai and listen to world news on the radio/TV in thai. In Singapore I am afraid that for all our status we have a lot of people that are illiterate....there is no readily available news in dialects and they cannot read the Chinese newspapers!

The next thing is that this is a High EQ society. To illustrate the situation.....my relative is a Chinese girl born in England and married to an English guy. She is a banana.... she had a road traffic accident there in Bangkok. The motorcyclist hit the side of her MPV.

In England she is right......the motorcyclist is wrong becuase of rule of law. In Thailand she is wrong and the motor cyclist is right. The rationale is that you are driving a car and have money and he is riding a bike and has no money. Therefore you should pay for his bike repairs and his medical fees because you have money. Never mind the rule of law.

Anyway the insurance company pays and it does not come out of your own pocket. So the insurance company wants her to admit liability and the matter is closed;the insurance company will pay the motorcyclist.

However being from England my relative refused to admit liability as it was not her fault. She was from a rule of law society. So the police got involved and she refused to admit on matter of principle.

The matter ended up in court and she was given a suspended jail sentence whereupon she left Bangkok. The judge also commented in passing the sentence that she was not remorseful.

This matter gave me a very interesting insight into Thai society. It operates on certain rules like you have got money so you should help me. There are also no bankruptcy laws. Look at the Thai Petroleum affair and you get the idea that the society operates differently.

Also the feeling is that you have to be remorseful shows that EQ is very important. Hence all this talk about the KC factor. I have found getting around BKK without much problem is to exhibit EQ. People who operate with high EQ will connect with others but will walk away from those who do not practice it. You bang the table to get service and all the waiters just stare past you and act blur.

I guess it is quite complex as you got some operating principles which are not rule of law based and are human principle based plus high EQ and literacy in Thai language. They probably look at us as naive and unsophisticated. Therefore easy pickings..... Cheers Yohjimbo

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by yohjimbo
Dear All
Actually I am not all that crazy about Singapore and a HDB flat is actually overpriced. New flat to a young couple is $250 per square foot. It is just that they allow you to use CPF and have a long repayment period and you have no choice.

I mentioned all that because the girls looking in at us think that this place is like wow! We know better.

Frankly the emigration out of Singapore is turning into a wave. I am considering Bangkok for retirement because it is so much cheaper, you live like a king, medical services are excellent with Burumgrad(did I spell it correctly)and the like. You can have maids , personal assistants, driivers within your budget, great restaurants, cool bars etc.

Only thing is to wait for Thaksin to clean up the city and Bangkok will be a great place to retire. Cheers Yohjimbo

You see me good, I see you good. Humans are never contented.

In what way would you think it is cheaper? Cheaper is comparison to the local currency and not comparing using Singapore rates to convert into Thai Baht. Yes, housing is cheap, but is how cheap.

To us Singaporeans, 30baht of food is like $1.30+ according to Sin-Thai Exchange rate.
But to the Thais 30baht is like $3 (as what they see when we buy food of $3).

If you are talking about earning foreign currency and exchanging it Thai Bhat, TRUE to a sense that you can somehow or another live comfortably. (I wouldn't use the word King) But if you are talking about long term or in some cases retirement, then the issue is whether you can make the same amount in thailand.

After you stay for even a few months in BKK, you will think that having a maid, personal assisstant, driver is deemed as surplus. Of course, if you are a foreign expat and your company supposedly supplies your dick food, then its small money to MNCs.

As a tourist, a few days a month spent is nothing unless you spend the same amount daily for the next few months and continue the same lifestyle.
Did I mention Exotica, Chateau Blanc, Brew Pavilion, Forte, Orbit?

The PM of BKK is a great friend of the leaders of Singapore Govt. The "fining" system is well in place now. And Thaksin is tking lots of examples from Singapore. Perm visas not easily available to foreigners. You can try going to Suan Pluu immigration there and see the number of foreigners trying to extend visas everyday. Price to increase visa for 10 days was even increased from 500baht in the past to 1900baht for just 10 days of stay. Price increase not only for foreigners. Even work permit holders faced such increases.

Frankly, my opinion is, Bangkok will be a better place to stay if the place is not so clean.

SC

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by yohjimbo
Dear All
I looked at Thailand like this....this is a land that has 99% literacy in the Thai language ie even a poor farmer in the countryside can read world news in Thai and listen to world news on the radio/TV in thai. In Singapore I am afraid that for all our status we have a lot of people that are illiterate....there is no readily available news in dialects and they cannot read the Chinese newspapers!

The next thing is that this is a High EQ society. To illustrate the situation.....my relative is a Chinese girl born in England and married to an English guy. She is a banana.... she had a road traffic accident there in Bangkok. The motorcyclist hit the side of her MPV.

In England she is right......the motorcyclist is wrong becuase of rule of law. In Thailand she is wrong and the motor cyclist is right. The rationale is that you are driving a car and have money and he is riding a bike and has no money. Therefore you should pay for his bike repairs and his medical fees because you have money. Never mind the rule of law.

Anyway the insurance company pays and it does not come out of your own pocket. So the insurance company wants her to admit liability and the matter is closed;the insurance company will pay the motorcyclist.

However being from England my relative refused to admit liability as it was not her fault. She was from a rule of law society. So the police got involved and she refused to admit on matter of principle.

The matter ended up in court and she was given a suspended jail sentence whereupon she left Bangkok. The judge also commented in passing the sentence that she was not remorseful.

This matter gave me a very interesting insight into Thai society. It operates on certain rules like you have got money so you should help me. There are also no bankruptcy laws. Look at the Thai Petroleum affair and you get the idea that the society operates differently.

Also the feeling is that you have to be remorseful shows that EQ is very important. Hence all this talk about the KC factor. I have found getting around BKK without much problem is to exhibit EQ. People who operate with high EQ will connect with others but will walk away from those who do not practice it. You bang the table to get service and all the waiters just stare past you and act blur.

I guess it is quite complex as you got some operating principles which are not rule of law based and are human principle based plus high EQ and literacy in Thai language. They probably look at us as naive and unsophisticated. Therefore easy pickings..... Cheers Yohjimbo

There are actually a lot of Thais in the provinces who are illiterate too.

As for the road accident issue, in the event of an accident, the insurance agent will arrive and give you the best plan to get you out of the hook and also settle the issue amicably. That is thailand and not singapore or england. People have this wrong mindset that bringing their own principles to thailand will not help them much. The thai culture is like that. So what even if the driver is not in the wrong? The Thai culture has this phrase called "Song Sarn" --- take pity. So it depends on one whether he has the kind of heart. Why get into so much trouble when one is in foreign land?

Without a bankruptcy law in place, bad debts can spiral.

SC

[CumKing]

Originally posted by siamcutey
[B]
Frankly, my opinion is, Bangkok will be a better place to stay if the place is not so clean.

SC

Huh?? Meaning you prefer it to be dirtier as in air pollution or more corrupt?

Double take,
CK

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by CumKing
Huh?? Meaning you prefer it to be dirtier as in air pollution or more corrupt?

Double take,
CK

Money Rulezzz

hahaha
SC

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by yomun
Have. I know some people who live this kind of lifestyle day in day out. Let me cut some deals first. Sianzzz. :(

Something interesting happened in Orbit last night. Tirak69 was there to witness 'what comes around goes around'. Hahahaha! :D

Bo bian, I am not Ah Cheng. I am sure Ah Cheng will get sick of such life too.

Sighhhh......

SC

[siamcutey]

I suddenly realise Thai Girls are great entrepreneurs. Not only using their pussies to earn income, but also to business network with all their tiraks. So that when the tour of duty is over, all can go back Thailand do business with sponsorship of the Singaporean guys. Singapore guy got capital, Thai girl use name do business. Just the renovations of a new shop can con a few K sing dollars.

It's definately bad to have an emotional relationship with the girls knowing that money is involved..

Why do people's emotional soft spot fell for 1 single thai lady and yet couldn't fell for the poverty in 3rd world countries?

It's just reasons to justify actions.

Remembered 1 incident where my friend was saying he is willing to fork out money to help a Thai girl cos if his money can help change her destiny, he will do it. Even at the expense of her cheating on him.
By all means, I should get all the Thai girls, let them take queue number and con this sad fucker of all his money. Want to help, must help all the way, don't help 1 here or 1 there.

SC

[siamcutey]

Whenever a Thai girl is uncontactable via phone, the tirak gets edgy. What happened? Faraway in foreign Thailand all by herself.

The 1st self-denial

Her handphone no battery, no signal, handphone spoil, no ringing tone, bathing cannot hear

Sad Fucks love to hear all the lies above

But Sad fucks will never want to hear this below.

She is going out with Pii Chai, going out with another guy, making out with another guy, making out with others for $$$$$


hahaha
SC

[vaxvms]

Originally posted by siamcutey
Whenever a Thai girl is uncontactable via phone, the tirak gets edgy. What happened? Faraway in foreign Thailand all by herself.

The 1st self-denial

Her handphone no battery, no signal, handphone spoil, no ringing tone, bathing cannot hear

Sad Fucks love to hear all the lies above

But Sad fucks will never want to hear this below.

She is going out with Pii Chai, going out with another guy, making out with another guy, making out with others for $$$$$


hahaha
SC


aiya been hearing this kind of stories many time liao
even close TG fz tell me they have many guy to rotate
they will know how to handle lah, even 2 BF appear at the same time

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by vaxvms
aiya been hearing this kind of stories many time liao
even close TG fz tell me they have many guy to rotate
they will know how to handle lah, even 2 BF appear at the same time

So you know how to handle a few girls at one time?

hahaha
SC

[tirak69]

Originally posted by siamcutey
There are actually a lot of Thais in the provinces who are illiterate too.

As for the road accident issue, in the event of an accident, the insurance agent will arrive and give you the best plan to get you out of the hook and also settle the issue amicably. That is thailand and not singapore or england. People have this wrong mindset that bringing their own principles to thailand will not help them much. The thai culture is like that. So what even if the driver is not in the wrong? The Thai culture has this phrase called "Song Sarn" --- take pity. So it depends on one whether he has the kind of heart. Why get into so much trouble when one is in foreign land?

Without a bankruptcy law in place, bad debts can spiral.

SC
Read today's ST business section. DBS danu reported a loss due to writing off of bad debts. Now u know why the need to merge. :p

[tirak69]

Originally posted by CumKing
Huh?? Meaning you prefer it to be dirtier as in air pollution or more corrupt?

Double take,
CK

there are always more opportunites when the system is "tainted". look at indonesia and china.

[tirak69]

Originally posted by yomun

Something interesting happened in Orbit last night. Tirak69 was there to witness 'what comes around goes around'. Hahahaha! :D

555... first time see a "retribution" situation.;)

so whr we going 2nite? SSL again?

[yohjimbo]

Dear SC
I guess that we have posted at great length the various factors to explain the behaviour of Thai women.

I find personally that the high EQ and KC factor to be devastatingly disarming and makes us very vulnerable. Coupled with a beautiful face and body and we are suckers.

The magic that can be woven by these women is amazing. The feelings aroused are a heady crazy mixture of love, lust, exhilaration and the powerful desire to take care of her! When you want to take care of a woman , you want to live with her, dress her up in nice clothes, buy her a car to drive or chauffer her around, even have babies with her!! You get the picture....

Hence the money issues...... if you go all the way as above she is your wife....any thing short and she has taken your money and you for the ride. I guess that I would just look back and tell myself I had a great time while the going was good, I can make the money back as long as youth is on my side and having paid tuition fees be a lot wiser( maybe more cynical) in my future endeavours. If I had feelings for her..... would still wish her the best.

Happy Chinese New year and all the best! Yohjimbo

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by yohjimbo
Dear SC
I guess that we have posted at great length the various factors to explain the behaviour of Thai women.

I find personally that the high EQ and KC factor to be devastatingly disarming and makes us very vulnerable. Coupled with a beautiful face and body and we are suckers.

The magic that can be woven by these women is amazing. The feelings aroused are a heady crazy mixture of love, lust, exhilaration and the powerful desire to take care of her! When you want to take care of a woman , you want to live with her, dress her up in nice clothes, buy her a car to drive or chauffer her around, even have babies with her!! You get the picture....

Hence the money issues...... if you go all the way as above she is your wife....any thing short and she has taken your money and you for the ride. I guess that I would just look back and tell myself I had a great time while the going was good, I can make the money back as long as youth is on my side and having paid tuition fees be a lot wiser( maybe more cynical) in my future endeavours. If I had feelings for her..... would still wish her the best.

Happy Chinese New year and all the best! Yohjimbo

hi Yohjimbo,

The chinese way of treating our love is done very much the same with many many others. But in thailand its very very different culture. In thailand, its the exact opposite of what will happen when a couple is in love. The women will take care of the men instead. Actually in thailand, the mindset of many in getting married is nothing. Marriage, divorce is just like a procedure for them. If in love, no cert also can stay together. But in singapore is different. People go for the cert thingy.

If you really got the money and think that giving to the tirak as part of a love package, by all means no one can stop your decision. Thats why in thailand, some singaporeans though they have thai wives, they have their legal methods to "tie down" their wife so that she has no chance to run away with the money and take them for a ride.

Happy new year
SC

[tirak69]

bro SC,

time to get started on your private ab-num story again leh... "mai wa nan tao rao, phom gor ror". 55555!:p

[yohjimbo]

Dear SC
Read your mail with great interest. Looks like the mentality of the Thai women are very different. But also found that some of them dislike Thai men. Give the impression that they do not think highly of them especially the handsome guys. However these seem to be the view of the more capable women.

Would also like to know about the ways of "tieing" them down.
Cheers Yohjimbo

[liketoplay]

Originally posted by yohjimbo
Dear SC
Read your mail with great interest. Looks like the mentality of the Thai women are very different. But also found that some of them dislike Thai men. Give the impression that they do not think highly of them especially the handsome guys. However these seem to be the view of the more capable women.

Would also like to know about the ways of "tieing" them down.
Cheers Yohjimbo



I also encounter Thai girl who told me that she doesn't like and will not fall for Thai guys.

[GiddlyGook]

Originally posted by siamcutey

But in thailand its very very different culture. In thailand, its the exact opposite of what will happen when a couple is in love. The women will take care of the men instead. Actually in thailand, the mindset of many in getting married is nothing. Marriage, divorce is just like a procedure for them. If in love, no cert also can stay together. But in singapore is different. People go for the cert thingy.


Important though to caveat that most of the opinions here center around women from a less affluent socio-economic background. My company has an office in BKK so I get to see another viewpoint from vantage of the middle-class: they seem no different from chicks from SIN or KUL or any other major city.

But I've also seen life in the poorer, agrarian parts of the country and they sure seem to get married (ceremonial-tie-the-string-around-wrist) and separated at the drop of a hat. Not uncommon to find women with 3 kids by different men etc. Very cavalier attitude to marriage and child-bearing - maybe that's the way it should be and we are all just dumb droids conditioned by a slavish desire to ape all the psycho-bable the Western media throws at us.

[sassina2]

Originally posted by GiddlyGook
Important though to caveat that most of the opinions here center around women from a less affluent socio-economic background. My company has an office in BKK so I get to see another viewpoint from vantage of the middle-class: they seem no different from chicks from SIN or KUL or any other major city.

But I've also seen life in the poorer, agrarian parts of the country and they sure seem to get married (ceremonial-tie-the-string-around-wrist) and separated at the drop of a hat. Not uncommon to find women with 3 kids by different men etc. Very cavalier attitude to marriage and child-bearing - maybe that's the way it should be and we are all just dumb droids conditioned by a slavish desire to ape all the psycho-bable the Western media throws at us.

Been a little out of touch lately but ten yrs ago, I used to move around much with someone from Hiso in Bangkok (family owned A Listed Hotel Group) and also with a wealthy Phuket friend both of whom are Chinese Thai.

Also spent lots of time with professional Thai people working in particular in the Hotel business thus bringing me in touch with many Thai ladies mostly graduates working in Sales & Marketing in Hotel Industry; many of whom come from very good upper middle class families.

You are right, they are not far different (and yet delictably attractive in their Thai ways) from similar background families in Singapore or Malaysia or most other Asian countries.

If you should connect and are truely loved, the women can prove to be formidable, uncannily smart in business and a good lifelong companion. I know a couple of Singaporeans who married them and are still happily married.

Most of the discussions of "Private Dancer" in the novel reflect on Thai women who come from the "far provinces" and working in a "night life industry" and they should not be taken to represent Thai women in general.

Most of the "night life ladies" come from rural, uneducated and poor backgrounds even if they themselves may have good education.

It is unfair to Thai women and to Thailand to take "Private Dancer ladies" and generalize this to be Thai women!

I say this because I have made many good friends with non night life ladies and I have more good things to say about them than this discussion credits them for.

I have also played around much over more than 10 years with both these close male friends of mine (and others) and yes, the "night life" category of women (this applies whether it's Malaysians, Singaporeans, Thais, Vietnamese, Indonesians etc etc......) are a special category that are painful to love and even more painful if you expect true love (in the romantic sense) in return.

For them, you are a bread and butter money issue and support and you should know that.

Instinctively, they have learnt that several streams of income is better than one. For cuty love, they always lose their heart to their own "toy boys" most of whom are uncannily good at exploting these girls need for "real love".

Unfortunately, they have more time around these gals than you have and language is at their disposal. You can go learn and learn, in the meantime, somebody else is a few steps ahead of you. If you are handsome, someone else is even more handsome and capable than you in satisfying them all round!

Why bother when there are many non night life women in the city of angels! Pay attention, circulate and you will find the woman of your dream if you want a good Thai girlfriend!

A good place to start is the Guest Relations, PR Department and Front Desk of the leading hotels of Bangkok. They always have the prettiest young Thai ladies working for them and most of them are vulnerable to being "taken" fast and quick. More, language is less of a problem because they are mostly able to speak English. Just one "hot tip".

Don't forget, once you find her, you have to keep her too. Men are men, and nice Thai ladies are always under attack because Thai men, esp those with money are "all conquering" and most devastating when they want to compete. I know from personal experience.

A good friend of mine who comes from one of the most wealthy Phuket families invested time and married one of the cutest and attractive "luk kreungs " I have ever known. She was the daughter of a big time general. He also divorced her after 6 months of marriage.
Why? She did love him for he was articulate, rich, handsome and .........

However, after marriage, since he was a kampong fella living in Phuket, his highly educated wife wanted to remain in Bangkok to put to good use her Masters Education for her professional pride! Also, Bangkok is a more exciting city as compared to Phuket although she had whatever she wanted there including a resort island the family owned etc etc.

In Bangkok. she lived in her own apartment & drove a Mercedes as paid for by my friend. Because of her inate beauty and attractiveness, she was constantly "under attack" by every son of a bitch male who met her at work, at play, everywhere and she finally succumbed to one of them. (Thai men when they are confident can be extremely charming!)

My friend found out and wanted to kill him, her and then shoot himself. Fortunately, he came to his senses and is today happily married to nice sweet kampong chicken from hometown after fucking his way through most of Phuket and Bangkok. Girls just throw themselves at him all the time because of who he is but, there you are.
Marry an attractive woman anywhere in the world and, she is always under attack unless you can be at her side day in and out!

Just know that Thai men (esp the professionals and rich ones) when they want a woman are highly persuasive. I have spent enough time with them to tell you they are competitive!
They have lots of time and experience training with girls of all sorts of background from early as compared with us here in Sillypore.

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by GiddlyGook
Important though to caveat that most of the opinions here center around women from a less affluent socio-economic background. My company has an office in BKK so I get to see another viewpoint from vantage of the middle-class: they seem no different from chicks from SIN or KUL or any other major city.

But I've also seen life in the poorer, agrarian parts of the country and they sure seem to get married (ceremonial-tie-the-string-around-wrist) and separated at the drop of a hat. Not uncommon to find women with 3 kids by different men etc. Very cavalier attitude to marriage and child-bearing - maybe that's the way it should be and we are all just dumb droids conditioned by a slavish desire to ape all the psycho-bable the Western media throws at us.

In thailand, the "Decent" people frown upon girls of the night life. It gives them a very bad name. As in if I can use my brains and study hard, why resort to being an FL or WL to earn fast easy money. But the truth is prostitution has been one of the oldest trade in the world if not thailand. Thailand would not be thailand if prostitution is wiped out.
Having few children from few relationships is considered nothing as well. Some might even have no form of marriage as well in registry records. And there are cases where the kids become the children of their elder sister or brother.

But still I would tell others who really wish to thread on this kind of path to look at girls in other sectors. I always tell Yomun and other friends, if you want to look for a companion, look around decent places. If you want to play, go night spots. Just going around departmental stores, music shops, business areas, etc, you get to meet women who at least have an 8-5 kind of job. After work, few would have enough energy to play tricks as the next day to them will be another working day. Also their threshold of spending money will be much much lower than those of WLs. MP girl need 5 figure income to sustain looks, youth, body not forgetting liabilities such as car, pii chai. A normal TG will only need a few K and she could live a simple and normal life.

But often than not, not saying that I love to condemn TGs. I only condemn those that love to con type. And I always give decent WLs a good comment. Especially those that you see in restaurants or other service industries (not inc of WLs), they give good service that bring their country to fame for being the Land of Smiles.

However, on and off, we should always throw out our Chinese, or Foreign mentality when dealing with Thai People. Irregardless in business or other situations, we must understand that they love to lie too. I am not saying everyone of them do, but their actions just show it.
To them, there are always certain things that are best to be left covered up rather than reveal the truth. A very recent example is the bird flu incident in Thailand.

The people in Thailand already suspected it is Bird Flu and not Cholera that attacked the Fowls, but Thaksin and his Govt has been telling the public not to be afraid and even organise a chicken dinner to be televised on National TV. But what happens? the fire can't be kept under wraps and now everything is exposed. What about the 2 lives who passed away and others who are now in hospital? Just because of the economy and lives should be risked? This is Thailand. There is nothing one can do about it. In Singapore, though lives are lost in SARS, but the government was swift to inform the public and no intention of covering up the incident was done as doing that might result in more lives being lost. In the process, Singapore's economy was greatly affected, but then we should all thank the stars that we are still alive. (I know Singapore Bashers will not like hearing this) But it is the TRUTH

This is sadly how Thailand works and one should always be a tad more careful irregardless of Love Relationships or Business Issues.

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[GiddlyGook]

Originally posted by sassina2

A good place to start is the Guest Relations, PR Department and Front Desk of the leading hotels of Bangkok. They always have the prettiest young Thai ladies working for them and most of them are vulnerable to being "taken" fast and quick. More, language is less of a problem because they are mostly able to speak English. Just one "hot tip".


Well said. Let me throw out a tip: anybody relishing a "challenge", there's this total babe working the front desk at the Bangkok Marriott Resort. I spent a week there last week and after I saw her and I couldn't walk straight. Her name starts with an "N" (I'm not mentioning her whole name because a) privacy reasons b) more importantly, I forgot haha) but as far as I could tell after finding 1001 reasons to visit the front desk every day, she was the only one whose name starts with an "N".

Total babe with the most striking eyes I have ever seen.

[CumKing]

Originally posted by GiddlyGook
Well said. Let me throw out a tip: anybody relishing a "challenge", there's this total babe working the front desk at the Bangkok Marriott Resort. I spent a week there last week and after I saw her and I couldn't walk straight. Her name starts with an "N" (I'm not mentioning her whole name because a) privacy reasons b) more importantly, I forgot haha) but as far as I could tell after finding 1001 reasons to visit the front desk every day, she was the only one whose name starts with an "N".

Total babe with the most striking eyes I have ever seen.

Ok..Bangkok Marriot Resort...HERE I COME !!!

Hehehe
CK

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by GiddlyGook
Well said. Let me throw out a tip: anybody relishing a "challenge", there's this total babe working the front desk at the Bangkok Marriott Resort. I spent a week there last week and after I saw her and I couldn't walk straight. Her name starts with an "N" (I'm not mentioning her whole name because a) privacy reasons b) more importantly, I forgot haha) but as far as I could tell after finding 1001 reasons to visit the front desk every day, she was the only one whose name starts with an "N".

Total babe with the most striking eyes I have ever seen.

Yup, at least try to cast the net on the good fishes and probability of hooking a good mermaid is better than casting a net in an oil slick. At least these normal TGs mix around with normal folks and their discussion topics among their peers will at least be on decent topics.

WLs seldom mix around with normal TGs as they would find themselves hard to get into the conversation. That is also why WLs normally mix in groups of WLs, because communication topics is more similar. Not trying to condemn them, but the topics they discuss will be on how "pervert" customers are, which sponsor to con, which place to enjoy, where to up *Ya, whose pii chai is most handsome, etc. It will not go down well with normal folks.

Do not think that Girls with high education will not be in the Flesh Trade. There are Club PRs with Bachelor degrees and they prefer to keep their occupation as a secret. Their peers will look down on them if they do mention it. While some do not sleep with customers, most do either LTs, or get a rich sponsor to sponsor them.

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* Ya --- In thai, it means medicine, but to up Ya in thailand means to take drugs. Most often fall into category of designer drugs.

[siamcutey]

Reality Check
For every 1 brother that gets out of tirak trap, another 10 falls hopelessly into it.

There are always a fair share of detractors who always think differently, but as time goes, whether the words hold truth or not is up to individual to interpret. Some will take it as a learning curve, others might take it as a very bitter pill to swallow. But ask yourself this question.

Did you learn something out from it?

Others will take it as a lesson in life and move on with it. Some others will from then start to feel lost of direction in life. But the truth is life still goes on. What matters is the future and not the past.

Me and my tales all come from the many kopis and story sharing sessions with thailand cheongsters. They have seen more in life than many of us. Though it might seem as a story to many, but it is a similar path which many are taking. Everyone's path is different, but the way of taking it is almost the same. And many more frightening stories are rather not shared on the web as sensitivity is involved. But trust me, there are very chum cases not being read in this forum.

There is nothing to feel ashamed of what happened cos humans erred. I never believe in using this line, "Hey, I told you so."Because it doesn't help anyone. There is also nothing to prove my words wrong. There might be people who think, I must prove the whole world wrong by being with my tirak. At the end of the day, the money doesn't come out from my pocket, neither does the relationship benefit anyone of us. Persisting in a bottomless pit will prove fatal for you, and not us here posting here in a forum.

There is also no need to revenge. By getting back at them is bringing ownself down to their level of being bad. Pointless.
As quoted from other sources, this 2 paragraphs are very true and should always be in the head.

You are quite unlikely to have a significant impact on the human evil in the world by trying to chase down bad people in Thailand who have done bad things to you.

There are bigger and more important things in life. Life is too short already. If you want to attain greater happiness or fulfillment of your purpose in life, then we suggest you look at the big picture and get a grip on more important values and interests in life, rather than getting involved in the evil of the world. Take it as a challenge and an opportunity to learn some valuable lessons. Along the way, "refuse" to lower yourself to some other people's levels. Move up to higher moral ground.

Remember, there is nothing to feel ashame of. Sharing your problems with the right people gives you the right amount of help to solve the problem. And I can even recommend some other people who can really help beside drinking and singing thai songs.
Help is free of charge :)

PM function is free of charge too.

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[DNAT]

Originally posted by sassina2

the "night life" category of women (this applies whether it's Malaysians, Singaporeans, Thais, Vietnamese, Indonesians etc etc......) are a special category that are painful to love and even more painful if you expect true love (in the romantic sense) in return.

For them, you are a bread and butter money issue and support and you should know that.

Instinctively, they have learnt that several streams of income is better than one.

Unfortunately, they have more time around these gals than you have and language is at their disposal. You can go learn and learn, in the meantime, somebody else is a few steps ahead of you.
yoz pak:
would like to hear your opinion on short-term (say abt 3-6 months) 'house-keep' relationship in Indo settings?

Thanks

(Apologise to others if felt intruded due to non-Thai enquiry .... pai-seh pai-seh)

[Phucker]

very true....
its part of my life and i bear no hard feelings towards my 'tirak'.
i grew up wiser from the experience.
no more tirak stuff for me.....haha :D

there are some worses cases though, ppl who can tell me they 'awaken' from the tirak game but still persists in it....maybe with the same gal or with another new gal.

[sassina2]

Originally posted by DNAT
yoz pak:
would like to hear your opinion on short-term (say abt 3-6 months) 'house-keep' relationship in Indo settings?

Thanks

(Apologise to others if felt intruded due to non-Thai enquiry .... pai-seh pai-seh)

In the most basic sense, whether it's a wife or a "contracted limited time rental" you begin with the background and history of the person concerned and social circles.

If the person concerned comes from the "booking" type or "freelance" sex industry, there is a strong possiblity that she will not be able to break out of those circles of influences.

These people whether fellow sisters, boyfriend lovers or other foreign "customer lovers" will continue to pester and gain favours out of your rental during your absence.

Since they are not paying the long term rental, they will tempt with large amounts of "one off payments" which can be attractive supplementary income in addition to yours!

If there is no true deep love, or, your pockets are not as deep and strong as to wield total devotion, you bet she may be tempted to succumb to others every so often right?

This does not mean that you cannot go ahead. Just know that you have to have an enlightened approach and build "checks and markers" so you know how to evaluate where it is heading and if theres any straying.

Wouldn't want to be the person renting a bicycle which others can use also esp in this day and age of killer diseases!

Some years ago when I had a regular nice Solo GF that I brought from Solo and help set up in a decent job in Batam, I never did worry about straying cos I never took the mental position that I owned the property.

The job paid her just enough and provided lodgings in the hotel's premises too. I was sure that many were doing their best to get a piece of the action despite all that and perhaps, some succeeded too!

I never bothered to worry because for me, it was never love, just a nice sweet young thing to bury my prick and take care of my needs!

She was never from the industry and so it helped! Does it make sense?

[DNAT]

Originally posted by sassina2
In the most basic sense, whether it's a wife or a "contracted limited time rental" you begin with the background and history of the person concerned and social circles.

If the person concerned comes from the "booking" type or "freelance" sex industry, there is a strong possiblity that she will not be able to break out of those circles of influences.

These people whether fellow sisters, boyfriend lovers or other foreign "customer lovers" will continue to pester and gain favours out of your rental during your absence.

Since they are not paying the long term rental, they will tempt with large amounts of "one off payments" which can be attractive supplementary income in addition to yours!

If there is no true deep love, or, your pockets are not as deep and strong as to wield total devotion, you bet she may be tempted to succumb to others every so often right?

This does not mean that you cannot go ahead. Just know that you have to have an enlightened approach and build "checks and markers" so you know how to evaluate where it is heading and if theres any straying.

Wouldn't want to be the person renting a bicycle which others can use also esp in this day and age of killer diseases!

Some years ago when I had a regular nice Solo GF that I brought from Solo and help set up in a decent job in Batam, I never did worry about straying cos I never took the mental position that I owned the property.

The job paid her just enough and provided lodgings in the hotel's premises too. I was sure that many were doing their best to get a piece of the action despite all that and perhaps, some succeeded too!

I never bothered to worry because for me, it was never love, just a nice sweet young thing to bury my prick and take care of my needs!

She was never from the industry and so it helped! Does it make sense?
Pak,
Thanks for your timely reply.

I guess if the gal is from the industry, it always lead to $/cents term. To them, we spend our $ on them w/o much hesitations hence we are simply their supplier on the basic needs of food, shelter and luxuries (hp, top-up phone card & nite outings)

My previous encounter
Ironically, I was 'invited' to stay at a cewek's rented apartment in BTM for my weekend spree (5 years back, for a duration of about 2 months) after her joint's contract expired in which she married a Sg guy (a PR with ID starts with S2**********). Whenever I was there, I only pay for the outing/groceries/miscellaneous expenses which was usually less than S$200 for 2D2N.
(for info sake, cewek booking fee was ard S$110/Rp180,000 that time)

am I a 'weekend stand-in' suami? :p

[siamcutey]

Sponsorship is very common. And sponsorship relationships normally do not last for years or decades.

Some sponsors they don't really care whether the relationship lasts. There was 1 who even sponsor 2 girls at 1 time. Both staying in different stories of a condo. And supposedly each is getting 80K baht per month. Eventually when the sponsor gets sick of both, money stops coming in and back to either the dance club/KTV/MP or their respective work places for them. When the next rich sponsor comes along, time to hack again and take a break from their job.

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[siamcutey]

One issue until now which hasn't been mentioned is how much is it enough to sponsor a Thai Girl (Those in the night scene)

All amount here mentioned are in baht.

A Waitress gets around 4K plus with 5K-6K being very good pay
Salesgirl in dept store gets around 4K. Salary commensurate with experience. And can reach around 12-15K depending on sales and working experience.

So those who are sponsoring tiraks, take note, this is the average estimate for monthly expenses.

Rental of svc apartment/condo : 3000-5000 (>4500 is considered alot)

Electricity (every night on aircon) : at most 2500
Water : 300 at most

Transport : Depends take taxi or bus. If driving, interest loans depends on how much you borrow, but average is around 10K-15K depending on make of model

Handphone charges: around 800baht. Sorry, my business not do very big and I often use about 600baht per month. I don't understand how some can use handphone bills to >1500baht per month when incoming calls is free. Supposedly they have "bigger businesses"

Food : One meal eat 80baht is alot, so add 3 meals is 240baht x30days= 7200baht. But frankly the thais that know how to eat don't really eat that much a meal.
Somtum, Chicken rice, Noodles, Kway Teow at those roadside stalls costs only 25-30baht per meal. Unless every meal go MK, Daidomon or Fuji, then I got nothing to say. I ever experience go out with Some Thai Girls and every time is at Japanese Restaurant. And when I suggest eat at Hway Kwang or go Tor Kung eat 79baht BBQ buffet, they look at me with astonished expressions.

As you can see 15K is enough for a good life in BKK. 15K to the thais is like $1500SGD to us Singaporeans as in to them, so do not use Singapore currency to convert then say wah they one month use so little.

So those that sponsor >20K, look at where the rests of the money goes.

1. Drinking,

2. Entertaining with groups of handsome men and the guys seldom pay (a lot can be found in Brew Pavilion, Hollywood, Dance Fever, Shelter, Por Kung Pow the Ratchada Seafood Market),

3. Parents in provinces(which can come out to alot of money as the whole family is basically feeding off),

4. Taking Designer Drugs,

5. And how to forget the Pii Chais that the Sponsors are helping to feed as well.


Some others I didn't highlight are maybe such as gambling, etc. But the above 5 sure takes a lot of money out for sponsorship.

Then the question comes. If the Sponsor thinks he is smart by giving her just enough for her daily needs, WRONG again cos she can simply FL around or even work in MPs especially if the sponsor is an overseas sponsor. Or take on a few more sponsors.

Keep your money with care. Money hard to earn.

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[Love888]

To Grand Master siamcutey and Grand Master Yomun

Very well said to me I always tell my friends that the best is pay Bonk and move on need not to have any strings attached.

Both are you given a very correct prepestive.

Regards be happy always Good luck to all of you.

Love888

[DNAT]

Originally posted by siamcutey
Handphone charges: around 800baht. Sorry, my business not do very big and I often use about 600baht per month. I don't understand how some can use handphone bills to >1500baht per month when incoming calls is free. Supposedly they have "bigger businesses"


Just chip in a bit on Indo (Batam) setting, ceweks prone to use HP extensively as a sign of status and prestige or to kill boredom. Its common to see them top up their sim card almost every week at IDR 100,000 (abt S$21.00) per top-up. If really wanna house-keep a cewek, dun be surprised that her monthly phone bills is more than mine ..... :rolleyes:

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by DNAT
Just chip in a bit on Indo (Batam) setting, ceweks prone to use HP extensively as a sign of status and prestige or to kill boredom. Its common to see them top up their sim card almost every week at IDR 100,000 (abt S$21.00) per top-up. If really wanna house-keep a cewek, dun be surprised that her monthly phone bills is more than mine ..... :rolleyes:
I still remembered the other time when I paid 1700baht of hp bills for my ex-tirak, I still think it is very cheap. Maybe that mentality makes us happy. Now anything >1000baht for phone bills is very very expensive. Considering that subscribed lines are only paying 3 baht at most per min and off peak is lesser.

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[DNAT]

Originally posted by siamcutey
I still remembered the other time when I paid 1700baht of hp bills for my ex-tirak, I still think it is very cheap. Maybe that mentality makes us happy. Now anything >1000baht for phone bills is very very expensive. Considering that subscribed lines are only paying 3 baht at most per min and off peak is lesser.

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If the sponsor dare to probe on calls activities due to the high HP bills, WL will probably give excuses as frequent calls to home-town/kampong .... not too sure about Thai scene, some kampung in rural Indo dun even have street lights or even electricity, let alone residential fixed lines .... :rolleyes:

[DNAT]

Originally posted by yomun
Tell the girl to go fly kite if she's chalking up heavy bills. Cannot be everyday father/mother die, brother/sister get married, pig give birth, etc.

More like talking cock with their gigolos and friends. ;)
wau lau, you and me sure know the truth mah ....
no need to tell her anything cos the gal will start to give empty promisies on not to repeat again (and we both know its another crap again), just stop the relationship (sponorship) and F O :p

[Relac Fats]

this is just my 2 cents on these sponsorship situation.

to some, the word "sponsor" or "sponsorship" wont ever exist in their vocabulary. they would just plainly simplify the whole situation and say this is just helping them (WLs, ex-Wls) with their needs and sometimes, wants. so stuff like paying hp bills, remitting money, buying whatever crap they desire is just to HELP them to get through daily.

well, to all those who said this before: BALLS TO U.....

your self-righteous attitude and the knight-in-shining-armour pretence irkes me. why you all have the guts to admit you ARE the sponsor?? and you would think you are the full-time pii chai?? please....

full time sponsor,
RF

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by Relac Fats
this is just my 2 cents on these sponsorship situation.

to some, the word "sponsor" or "sponsorship" wont ever exist in their vocabulary. they would just plainly simplify the whole situation and say this is just helping them (WLs, ex-Wls) with their needs and sometimes, wants. so stuff like paying hp bills, remitting money, buying whatever crap they desire is just to HELP them to get through daily.

well, to all those who said this before: BALLS TO U.....

your self-righteous attitude and the knight-in-shining-armour pretence irkes me. why you all have the guts to admit you ARE the sponsor?? and you would think you are the full-time pii chai?? please....

full time sponsor,
RF

*Clap* *Clap* *Clap*.

Only a sponsor once will know what's the job scope of a sponsor.
An ex-sponsor thinking he is the Knight in Shining Armour. There is actually nothing to be ashamed in being a sponsor, most important thing is whether he wakes up from it.

And self-denial is the thing that one should be most ashamed of.

hahaha
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[Phucker]

Originally posted by yomun
Just received an email from supposedly a sponsor requesting some advice. First and foremost all my opinions are from personal experience. It's up to individuals to digest the info. and make the decisions themselves. Good luck.

PS: Seeing friends getting conned financially and going insane over TGs has taken a toll on me. Able to save one just save one at a time. I'm not doing this to be the ultimate saviour or to boost my ego. I take it as accumulating some good karma for my next life.

just do your best bro...those who has been thru this kinda shit will understand and appreciate what u are doing.

for a person having been thru this, seeing someone talking abt, doing the same thing as what we used to do in the past, sometimes we would really feel like helping but it all depends on how receptive that person is. i'm not trying to pour cold water on the bros here but do not put too much heart into it. if things work out, good for u....if not, at least u won't feel too bad or bitter.
its hurts...and it will really mess up your life....and it really takes alot of courage and determination to walk away from the game amidst all that reluctance and temptation.

[DNAT]

Originally posted by Phucker
its hurts...and it will really mess up your life....and it really takes alot of courage and determination to walk away from the game amidst all that reluctance and temptation. Chinese saying:

Piao(3) zi(3) wu(1) yi(4)
Xi(4) zi(3) wu(1) qi(2)

(whore doesn't hold any loyalty; opera actress doesn't have any sentiment)

[DNAT]

Originally posted by yomun
Just received an email from supposedly a sponsor requesting some advice. First and foremost all my opinions are from personal experience. It's up to individuals to digest the info. and make the decisions themselves. Good luck.


reminds of me a news article on Sin Min Daily News -
A 63 y.o. man went to Batam with frens to jalan-jalan (according to him) and met this 37 y.o. Indo woman in a kopi tiam where she works a stall assistant. After meeting her 3 times, he married her in Sg and brought her to stay in.

The retiree claimed that he stays alone and he is afraid of being died unnoticed in his flat as his 2 daughters were married with kids and his wife passed away due to illness in 1998.

The remarriage happy life lasted only a year and one fine day when the retiree went home, his valuables, savings kept in drawers/cupboards and expensive appliances were gone. Shortly after, a Indo cewok visited his flat and threatened him not to look for that Indo woman (supposingly his legitimate wife) again.

Worth it lah ..... bonk 1 year free just pay for a few thousands dollars. somemore the Indo woman serves as a domestic helper as well ..... really worth the $ spent!

hahahaha

[Relac Fats]

Originally posted by yomun
Relac Fats,

For the record. So far I think you're the first person in this thread to admit you're a sponsor. I admire your honesty. Because you don't give half ass answers which is found commonly in TGs.

Have encountered a few sponsors and their agenda is very clear. X amount of bangs per month with X amount of THB. Haha.

This is getting interesting. ;)

thanks for the compliments, yomun.

yes, i can say that i m a sponsor in the general sense cause my interpretation of sponsorship is somewhat deviating from what was discussed here. the agenda of my so-called sponsorship is to work some r/s out with a sponsee. but alas, the sponsorship 'contract' ended prematurely as she chooses to follow the path of sponsor no.2. any attempts of follow-up 'sales call' on my part is met with rejection or cold replies. right now, i can consider myself a former sponsor.

the motivation or agenda in sponsoring is always different. reasons like wanting XX no. of bang, helping the sponsee in their needs, wants, expenses etc etc. but to all those silent sponsors out there, they might think by financially helping them, they can keep the sponsee out of the former trade they were in. they can do things like forking hundred thousands of baht to pay their house bosses, forking out another hundred of thousands baht to pay for whatever car, motorbike the sponsee desires and another thousands of baht monthly for their family expenses...... all these just to keep them out the flesh trade. another RF wake up call to sponsors who had done some or all of the above: you are keeping them and the girl IS A KEPT WOMAN.

some guys might know their sponsoring role and continue to walk this path cause they dont give a rat's ass. to these guys, i have nothing to comment. what i view pathethic are those that continue to pump out dough but still thinking that they are the sponsee's pii chai or the shining armour knight that can shelther them for the rest of their lives. please....think about it: if the girl is really determine to stay of out the trade, even a 4-6K baht is able to keep them going, albeit just barely.

out of contract,
RF

[Relac Fats]

Originally posted by siamcutey
*Clap* *Clap* *Clap*.

Only a sponsor once will know what's the job scope of a sponsor.
An ex-sponsor thinking he is the Knight in Shining Armour. There is actually nothing to be ashamed in being a sponsor, most important thing is whether he wakes up from it.

And self-denial is the thing that one should be most ashamed of.

hahaha
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some of them actually may have the notion that by not thinking about the word 'sponsor' or the fact that giving money is an act of sponsoring, they would not be considered as keeping the woman.

pathethic.

[Phucker]

Originally posted by yomun
How a person is receptive to opinions will depend on how open minded is he to new ideas. He can be inexperienced but if he keeps an open mind he'll learn very fast. Self denial is the trait of a sad fuck. Nothing we can do about self denial.

yup, but i must admit its hard to accept ppl's opinions when u are in the game no matter how true it seems, sometime like self-deceiving mentality.

what i hate most is talking to ppl who tell me they learn from the game and know where to stop...but they end up doing the same old shit, kena con by the same old gal or same bag of tricks.
that type i give up....can't bear to look or waste my breath.
i ever know a guy who keeps buying gold stuff for the gal, kena all kind of shit from her after giving her...told me he gonna drop her...after sweet talk from her, end up buying some more gold, booking more sessions, kena-ing more shit treatment from her after he hands her the gold.....siao ah..

[DNAT]

Originally posted by Phucker
yup, but i must admit its hard to accept ppl's opinions when u are in the game no matter how true it seems, sometime like self-deceiving mentality.

what i hate most is talking to ppl who tell me they learn from the game and know where to stop...but they end up doing the same old shit, kena con by the same old gal or same bag of tricks.
that type i give up....can't bear to look or waste my breath.
i ever know a guy who keeps buying gold stuff for the gal, kena all kind of shit from her after giving her...told me he gonna drop her...after sweet talk from her, end up buying some more gold, booking more sessions, kena-ing more shit treatment from her after he hands her the gold.....siao ah..
this type is 'gone case', bo yok kiew liao :rolleyes:
gotta leave the sad fuck alone .....

[Relac Fats]

Originally posted by yomun
A relationship which uses money as a foundation will not last very long. As in your case the girl ended the 'contract' as there's a takeover by a major sponsor. I talked about this before. The girl will never end the 'contract' prematurely unless there's a takeover by a better sponsor.

oh... i know of sponsor no.2 existence and his mine. at some point of time, both 'contracts' are running concurrently but w/o sponsor no.2's full knowledge. the reason i think why my 'contract' ended is because the sponsee is afraid of losing sponsor no.2's more lucrative 'contract'. (read: he's more financially sound, more stable). and mine was prematurely terminated with compensation. :(

unsound, unstable,
RF

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by Relac Fats
thanks for the compliments, yomun.

yes, i can say that i m a sponsor in the general sense cause my interpretation of sponsorship is somewhat deviating from what was discussed here. the agenda of my so-called sponsorship is to work some r/s out with a sponsee. but alas, the sponsorship 'contract' ended prematurely as she chooses to follow the path of sponsor no.2. any attempts of follow-up 'sales call' on my part is met with rejection or cold replies. right now, i can consider myself a former sponsor.

the motivation or agenda in sponsoring is always different. reasons like wanting XX no. of bang, helping the sponsee in their needs, wants, expenses etc etc. but to all those silent sponsors out there, they might think by financially helping them, they can keep the sponsee out of the former trade they were in. they can do things like forking hundred thousands of baht to pay their house bosses, forking out another hundred of thousands baht to pay for whatever car, motorbike the sponsee desires and another thousands of baht monthly for their family expenses...... all these just to keep them out the flesh trade. another RF wake up call to sponsors who had done some or all of the above: you are keeping them and the girl IS A KEPT WOMAN.

some guys might know their sponsoring role and continue to walk this path cause they dont give a rat's ass. to these guys, i have nothing to comment. what i view pathethic are those that continue to pump out dough but still thinking that they are the sponsee's pii chai or the shining armour knight that can shelther them for the rest of their lives. please....think about it: if the girl is really determine to stay of out the trade, even a 4-6K baht is able to keep them going, albeit just barely.

out of contract,
RF

Just like 1 WL told me before. She drops you not because she doesn't want your money. It's just because you are not RICH enough for her. The amount to her might not be as much as what she wanted, or in other words, the MORE THE MERRIER.

She may love you once but she can have many loves at one time and probably the next guy has more $$$ than you. But at least you see the incident once being through it rather than go all the way and regret it in the end.

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[siamcutey]

Originally posted by Relac Fats
oh... i know of sponsor no.2 existence and his mine. at some point of time, both 'contracts' are running concurrently but w/o sponsor no.2's full knowledge. the reason i think why my 'contract' ended is because the sponsee is afraid of losing sponsor no.2's more lucrative 'contract'. (read: he's more financially sound, more stable). and mine was prematurely terminated with compensation. :(

unsound, unstable,
RF

The definition to the Thais when they sponsor is that, they don't put their heart close to girl. They only put their dick in their pussies. That is how they sponsor.

In provinces, the rich sponsor those young gals. Give them 5-figures mthly, buy their virginity. And most of these cases also happen when the families need a large sum of money suddenly and thus the sponsor pays up upfront and the girl stays with him for a period of time. When the girl "pays her debt" by staying with the sponsor or gets sick of him, the girl will leave. The sponsor will even give some compensation and then search for a next girl. But the sponsor never feels hurt because he never put his heart in.

And sadly but true is that my thai girls which are sponsored actually pay money to gigolos. The situation is very very common in Thailand. After a while the gigolo will be some sort of a p/t pii chai to the girls. After all, all they are looking is for sex.

If one is looking at love in the night scenes, you are looking at the wrong girls and the wrong places.

And one more thing.

Many Thai Sponsors look for girls in dept stores, decent places and once they get sick, they look for others. Doesn't mean all go night scene and look. Most foreigners go night scene and look.

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[siamcutey]

Originally posted by Relac Fats
oh... i know of sponsor no.2 existence and his mine. at some point of time, both 'contracts' are running concurrently but w/o sponsor no.2's full knowledge. the reason i think why my 'contract' ended is because the sponsee is afraid of losing sponsor no.2's more lucrative 'contract'. (read: he's more financially sound, more stable). and mine was prematurely terminated with compensation. :(

unsound, unstable,
RF

I pity sponsor no.2.

hahaha
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[Phucker]

Originally posted by DNAT
this type is 'gone case', bo yok kiew liao :rolleyes:
gotta leave the sad fuck alone .....

the kinda of fella...i only can think of 2 words...fan jian or 1 word....ben (stupid).
that sad fuck can still call me and keep telling me for hrs abt what he keep doing for her and how shitty she keep treating him.
told him to wake up his idea many times but i guess he still wanna be in his dream.
i bei tahan, nowadays dun answer his call, can't bear to hear all that nonsense....i already did what i could as a fren but he seems stuck like superglue so i give up lah.

[sassina2]

Originally posted by siamcutey
The definition to the Thais when they sponsor is that, they don't put their heart close to girl. They only put their dick in their pussies. That is how they sponsor.

In provinces, the rich sponsor those young gals. Give them 5-figures mthly, buy their virginity. And most of these cases also happen when the families need a large sum of money suddenly and thus the sponsor pays up upfront and the girl stays with him for a period of time. When the girl "pays her debt" by staying with the sponsor or gets sick of him, the girl will leave. The sponsor will even give some compensation and then search for a next girl. But the sponsor never feels hurt because he never put his heart in.................

And one more thing.

Many Thai Sponsors look for girls in dept stores, decent places and once they get sick, they look for others. Doesn't mean all go night scene and look. Most foreigners go night scene and look.

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Just for info, one of the girls in our pack when we used to cheong Thailand lots was ex "Miss Sri Saket" one of the provinces. She told us that the moment she was crowned at the end of the beauty contest, various agents / people would approach her with offers from various rich older men for her to be their sponsored woman.

In her case, she did not accept although I know that her bank job that she had was not without favours even though she was a graduate.

In fact, I was sure that one of the seniors in the bank was definitely fucking her because she was able to buy the repossesed house from the bank real dirt cheap. Whenever we wanted to meet someone important, she could always set it up e.g. the chief of customs in bangkok etc and I was sure he was fucking her too!

This girl was well educated and financially very ambitious and we had the good fortune / fun to know her. Unfortunately, she finally got married to a wealthy neighbour of hers. Anyway, she is well past her prime today!

[Phucker]

Originally posted by yomun
Your situation is similiar to someone I know. Some people feel that they have put in so much already. They don't want to cut loses. They still think there's a turning point. They're insecure and they want to tell someone to ease their 'pain'. It's physoclogical. They need reassurances. However they'll still continue what they set out to do irregardless what you say.

but what do we reassure them of? reassure them that they are doing the right thing...keep it up? haha :D

anyway, me taking a break from GL and if possible i might retire from the place...been working hard on my biz since my break from my tirak...so far so good.
took a half yr break from GL b4 so i'm not sure whether this time is temporary or for good but i will still hang around here...haha

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by sassina2
Just for info, one of the girls in our pack when we used to cheong Thailand lots was ex "Miss Sri Saket" one of the provinces. She told us that the moment she was crowned at the end of the beauty contest, various agents / people would approach her with offers from various rich older men for her to be their sponsored woman.

In her case, she did not accept although I know that her bank job that she had was not without favours even though she was a graduate.

In fact, I was sure that one of the seniors in the bank was definitely fucking her because she was able to buy the repossesed house from the bank real dirt cheap. Whenever we wanted to meet someone important, she could always set it up e.g. the chief of customs in bangkok etc and I was sure he was fucking her too!

This girl was well educated and financially very ambitious and we had the good fortune / fun to know her. Unfortunately, she finally got married to a wealthy neighbour of hers. Anyway, she is well past her prime today!

Not trying to discredit the Land of Smiles. Later, things get blown out of proportion. The going rate for such Ladies S/T is already >10K baht. Miss TXXXXXXX World, Miss TXXXXXXX Universe is just a title so that they can command a higher price. I even have a photo of a Land of Smile Actress being offered for 30K baht ST. Now she has 2 more TV drama series under her belt, I supposed she has upped her price too. We don't get to see our local Sin Actresses sidelining for such amounts, do we? Maybe there is, but mostly is gone undertable or they rather go for the Big $$$ Fish. 1 SPONSOR.

Girls like this are very well-educated and they know among their peers, 1 big fish is better than many many small fishes, not to forget the number of small ikan bilis around.

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