Vietnam - HCM (Thread 3)

[Vespa01]

Do i need to tell u when i share something with people? Like i said, i am interested only in massage.
Not keen for bbbj.

There are much better hot toc with better selection of girls in D1 and more accessible, it has been share previously by bros who got all these information from other sex forum. See hows the different between sammyboy and other sex forum.

Originally Posted by MIFAcafe

Talk is cheap. So did you share anything?

[MIFAcafe]

Originally Posted by Vespa01

Do i need to tell u when i share something with people? Like i said, i am interested only in massage.
Not keen for bbbj.

You mean you can only share when you start a new thread and cannot share anything here?

Talk is cheap!

I share Nguyen Phi Khanh street D1. Similar concept as Benny but you need to look at the stock. Just ask the taxi driver to drop you there and you can walk along to visit the hot-toc there.

Note - above is for sharing only. Please dun blame me if you dun get good services.

Please dun pm me.

[MIFAcafe]

Originally Posted by SEAJ

And you’re lucky that Boss credited you back points! I guess I was too indignant and …..! Anyway, I’ve since then taken it all in stride and just continue posting what I feel is of benefit to others; these days, it’s basically ONLY my trying to steer the unsuspecting away from these crooks who are so thick on SBF, especially in the International section.

SEAJ

If mod dun bring up to the attention of BOSS, do you think he gets top-up points?

The key is keep sharing forum. I have an impostor who re-post all my past forums.

[Vespa01]

Seem like u are good in puttings word in other people mouth. Many bro pm me and i did direct them the place and thats the reason i ask why not start a massage thread where info are direct from the forum post.

Nguyen phi khanh was original shared by a bro who extract this info from other sex forum. You just merely took this info and re-shared. Before that bro share this place, nobody mention here.

I was from another sex forum and 1 guy i know Wendella point to me there is this singapore sammyboy. So i came over to post and observe how things work here. Info are not open, once someone post a info from elsewhere, the senior member will quickly take it to claim credit.

Originally Posted by MIFAcafe

You mean you can only share when you start a new thread and cannot share anything here?

Talk is cheap!

I share Nguyen Phi Khanh street D1. Similar concept as Benny but you need to look at the stock. Just ask the taxi driver to drop you there and you can walk along to visit the hot-toc there..

[MIFAcafe]

Originally Posted by Vespa01

Seem like u are good in puttings word in other people mouth. Many bro pm me and i did direct them the place and thats the reason i ask why not start a massage thread where info are direct from the forum post.

Nguyen phi khanh was original shared by a bro who extract this info from other sex forum. You just merely took this info and re-shared. Before that bro share this place, nobody mention here.

I was from another sex forum and 1 guy i know Wendella point to me there is this singapore sammyboy. So i came over to post and observe how things work here. Info are not open, once someone post a info from elsewhere, the senior member will quickly take it to claim credit.

Whatever I share you have things to say? So you win lor? Surely someone had written somewhere and I never claimed this is my discovery.

You sounded just like someone we all knew who he was?

Anyway better go drink my beer now.

[go2saigon]

I would be really interested in reviews of the different massage places with special service. So far good experience with Minh tam, Minh tam 2, Liberty central and Hanh Long hotel.

[iSaigon]

Originally Posted by go2saigon

I would be really interested in reviews of the different massage places with special service. So far good experience with Minh tam, Minh tam 2, Liberty central and Hanh Long hotel.

Din see what you share any forum in this thread?

[lasupkia]

Aiyo. Don't know why so much quarrels here instead of sharing.
Benny now 350k? Used to be 220k when deptrai brought me there the first.
It seems there a way to save money on massages by buying tickets online. About 40-60% discount on ticket price. A few websites selling. My wife bought for me at www.cungmua.com but if just go one time then not worth the trouble. Other sites not sure reliable or not.
Not sure if sharing this website allowed here. If not, pls remove. Anyway no benefits to me.

[zmanz]

Over the years I'd been using this thread and often I still able to find the information I need. I would just use search to find. If you are a newbie maybe you won't know what to search, that's where the DIY guides comes in. The DIY guide made by the seniors back in 2008, most are still valid.

Anyway the key words I normally use is cafe, salon, massage, beer. Normally will get some updated info I need. Been doing this almost every year since 2009.

To be fair Benny and NPK had been around for a long time, I recall even thread 1 had this sharing. The price never get spoil too much cause most kept to the price shared in forums. Or maybe cause they are in the alley most newbie too KS to dare go in. lol

I remembered my 1st visit to NPK in 2010 was due to giving the taxi wrong Ben Ny address and got dropped at the restaurant lol It happened to many, maybe that's a contributing factor too. Armed with a print out map, walked alone from there to NPK in the evening. It can be a bit intimidating. If I recalled correctly I wrote a FR for this along with Vien Dong and Liberty 4.

This is a forum, like any other having people chatting in thread shouldn't be an issue. If anyone really annoyed by it and really want to help newbie can do up an updated guide.

Upping and zapping is part making SBF unique. I always see members working hard gathering points, exchanging points and enjoying themselves in the process. Or there are some who likes play villain and zapped whoever they like in the shadow. IMO good for them, they are enjoying SBF to the fullest. If you see beyond the points system, points really mean nothing unless you get moderated. How senior you are, in the end we are all the same, just trying to have some fun. If you really can't see beyond the point system then just go do something about it.

I started from HCMC thread, so I'm a strong believer not to spoil market. Not that can't pay, but I don't think I need to impress a working lady by paying her more, then spoiling the market for other bros after me. Extra bit of tip if they are good.

If you don't even know what the market rate is, then you are just too lazy. There are lots of places in D1 willing to have customers who wished to pay more. So don't blame those who more frequent in HCMC not sharing with you their favorite spots.

So my sharing for today is this website
http://www.foody.vn/

There are reviews (in viet), opening hours, estimated price range, and even map of the locations. They also have the apps for it.

I'm looking forward to my trip this weekend

[Vespa01]

You are one of those who pm me for address, since you mention so far you have good experience in the massage places, why dont you write about your experience?

Originally Posted by go2saigon

I would be really interested in reviews of the different massage places with special service. So far good experience with Minh tam, Minh tam 2, Liberty central and Hanh Long hotel.

This aint quarrel and i have no wish to pick up a fight but just voicing out my view when i think someone is giving a wrong opinion but somehow it was taken in a negative way by his friends as well as resort to zapping as part of cyberbullying.

Originally Posted by lasupkia

Aiyo. Don't know why so much quarrels here instead of sharing.

There are 2 type of people who spoil market.
1 is the kind who does not know the market rate maybe due to lack of info or did not bother to search for info.
2 is the type who know the market rate but still wanna pay more tips because he think it is cheap and worth it. Just not long ago 1 SBF bro claim he goes to NPK and was quoted 500K and he does not like to bargain. What was amazing was after the blowjob, he pay 700K because he think he enjoy so much.

Originally Posted by zmanz

I started from HCMC thread, so I'm a strong believer not to spoil market. Not that can't pay, but I don't think I need to impress a working lady by paying her more, then spoiling the market for other bros after me. Extra bit of tip if they are good.

[Vespa01]

Robbed at massage 152 Tran Quang khai

This is 1 FR from a non-SBF member, write this on behalf of him to warn fellow newbie who are not vigilant enough.


Read up on this place and decided to check this out. Paid the VND300 k and felt at ease with the English speaking guy at the counter. Big mistake. Let my guard down.

This guy ushers me up to the room, I take off my clothes and put on the towel. He then comes into the room and say 'you go toilet?

I think nothing of this. Quite normal in the joints in Kuala Lumpur to go to the toilet so there's no interruption.

As I come out. The guy rushes me into the steam room. Practically stuffs me in. That should have sent up alarm bells.

But I had let my guard down.

Long story short, after the steam room, the girl comes in, massage massage, extra for BJ she asks, I say ok. And when I go to put on my clothes, wallet isn't there.

I panic!

Search the room and it's lying under a pile of towels on the chair opposite where my pants were hanging. I am going thru my money to pay her. Give her the agreed VND500 k.

Checked thru and lost usd100! I had only changed usd100 - and had it before I took my pants off earlier, so I was absolutely certain.

They made a big hooha and cry drama. But in the end, nothing. And I had to walk away usd100 poorer. The guy said 'he will check the camera' - come back tomorrow.

Felt seriously stupid. But thanked my lucky stars my wallet was OK and still had the vnd inside to pay the girl her tips.

Granted, she was one fine looking 18-year old, with beautiful tits and an ass I could have eaten up. And though she gave decent BBBJ, my little head took over all my senses and I never even bothered to keep an eye on my pants throughout the massage.

Just a warning to other fellow mongers heading down to massage 152 - take no more than 1 mil VND to be safe.

[zmanz]

Originally Posted by Vespa01

2 is the type who know the market rate but still wanna pay more tips because he think it is cheap and worth it. Just not long ago 1 bro claim he goes to NPK and was quoted 500K and he does not like to bargain. What was amazing was after the blowjob, he pay 700K because he think he enjoy so much.

Market rate refers to what majority are paying not 1 person So in the end you will only know what the market rate when you do homework. Which goes back to point 1.

Normal guys like you know tipping 200k for a 300k service sounds stupid. But there are people who does that cause they are on holiday. Since people likes to spend on holiday, just keep to those spots that cater for tourist. No need venture out to spots cater for people who frequent or working there. So I can understand why bros who knows HCM don't share these spots. Waste of time and high risk of losing them.

I'm a tourist. I only got to know some lesser shared spots cos a couple of kind TW bros or I'd found in other forums. So one can be rewarded if they search hard enough from the net.

[densha]

Originally Posted by Hurricane88

I check thru your past history...dun think you have invested your time and money to search the chiong places in hcm...you expect free spoon feed from seniors here...then too bad that culture in Vietnam chiong scene had changed since after the raid...hardly anyone wants to share openly chiong places because of spoiling market rate and raiding by cong an...

you had one interesting forum in hanoi thread but that still is very much open secret places you went...if you look into my spoiler...you can get to these places...although not cheap but open secret places and well known...

Well, I'm glad you're so insightful. If you were right, I would be a lot wealthier now seeing I spend on average 50% of my net earning the past 10++ years in this great hobby of ours. HCMC included.

As mentioned, just return to SBF since I'd been gone 2 years ago. Ask bros who PM me if I share my info freely.

Spoon-fed? Don't bother. Can I share more? Certainly. As mentioned, 2 days back and I got a-hole zapping me from the shadow. Rather discouraging. Look back my past one week. See my contribution bro?

If you want to see quality of my FR, I can give you my username to another forum (out of politeness I refrain from posting name here). Over there, I'm happy to post because the system just more transparent.

SEAJ was (is?) member there. I remember him from it. Can give him my username and you can check with him.

Raid? Of course I'm aware of it. That's why I'm hesitant to put certain info out here. But many bros been PMing me. And I'd been happy sharing asking for nothing back.

Appreciate pat-on-the-back with bonus slap-in-the-head. Will post my FR after this reply. Yes, I recently posted it at one other place...in case some bros here read it (although it's restricted access reading). Let's see what comes out of it. If you're want me to be more open, can post even more info here, Raid et all.

Here we go...

[densha]

Please allow me to first share different type of KTV in HCMC you need to be aware of...then my experience and conclusion:

1. Korean-owned/managed KTV.
Pros:
- Transparent price structure/system
- Package usually inclusive (alcohol, mixer, side dishes and tips for mgmt/madam/waiter)
- Rule of Engagement with girls clear (short-time/long-time/no go-home...although there's always exception to the rule...but if girls in go-home category mean they WILL go back to hotel)
- Strict system for girls (no mobile phone, no butterfly)
- If you get along well with girls, you can sometimes arrange for them (at cost) to come out to see you saving you money on drink package and tips in the process.
- If you get along well with madam (and regular customer), you can arrange for them to send girls to you directly every once-in-a-while bypassing going to KTV

Cons:
- Usually 1st tiers girls do not work here

Price Structure:
- $150-300 USD drink package (depends on class of alcohol).
- 2 million VND short time and 3 million VND long time
- Tip to girls who don't go home but sit with you: 400-500k VND

Sample Name:
Stocking

2. VN-managed KTV focusing on Korean/Japanese customers.
Pros:
- Transparent price structure/system
- Package usually partially inclusive (alcohol, mixer, side dishes...tips for mgmt/madam/waiter usually not included but you can ask them to add that cost to overall bill)
- Rule of Engagement with girls clear (short-time/long-time/no go-home...although there's always exception to the rule...but if girls in go-home category mean they WILL go back to hotel)
- Semi-strict system for girls (usually no butterfly)

Cons:
- Usually 1st tiers girls do not work here

Price Structure:
- $150-300 USD drink package (depends on class of alcohol).
- 2 million VND short time and 3 million VND long time
- Girls usually expect you to buy them drink or cocktail (that's where they make money). I forgot how much for each glass...you should ask...but I think less than 100k per
- Tip to Madam, 400-500k VND
- Tip to waiter, 100k VND (although more than one will come into room end of night hoping for 100k each!...just stick to your gun)

Sample Name:
Louis and Sirena

3. Japanese-owned KTV
Pros:
- Transparent price structure/system
- Package for one person possible (because Japanese as likely to go by themselves)
- Package usually inclusive (alcohol, mixer, side dishes and tips for mgmt/madam/waiter)
- Rule of Engagement with girls clear
- Strict system for girls (no mobile phone, no butterfly)
- Girls speak Japanese
- Girls who work here usually student at university

Cons:
- Usually 1st tiers girls do not work here
- Girls at these joints usually don't go home...
- Girls usually don't speak English
- Girls here do look for long-term sponsor as opposed to short-time money of fucking


Price Structure:
- $30-50USD drink package per person (unlimited drink off their select menu).
- Tip to girls who don't go home but sit with you: no need assuming you buy them couple glasses of alcohol/cocktail

Sample Name:
Japantown area in the pocket of Ngo Van Nam right off Le Than Ton

4. VN-owned/managed KTV focusing on local high-rollers.
Pros:
- 1st tier VN girls work here...you likely will get of the best looking ones/selections (of course there are also 2nd tiers)
- Package usually partially inclusive (alcohol, mixer, side dishes...tips for mgmt/madam/waiter usually not included but you can ask them to add that cost to overall bill)

Cons:
- Best looking girls here have HIGH expectation in term of how much you pay them to fuck...hell even 2nd tier girls will try to get more from you if they think it's possible
- Most of the best girls look for sugardaddy/long-term sponsor
- Rich locals/high-rollers and expats spoiled the market
- Rule of Engagement with girls NOT-clear (if girls say they'll meet you at after work...most likely will never show up...and mgmt could care less if you bitched to them...see below)
- Most of the madam/managers speak only Vietnamese or very little English...don't care too much about your satisfaction unless you're regular customers that tip them regularly...
- Crazy price and poor ROP: In place like 16 where you arguably get best selection of girls look-wise, it's 1 million VND tip and they don't go out...
- Against Odds. You're fighting against rich locals/expats who will go back over-and-over in order to win specific girls they're targeting...along the way dropping some serious dough with nothing to show for. I'd seen some of the conversation messages between them and these customers...and it's laughable...
- Buffalo. Unless you look like Lee Minh Ho (they prefer him to Brad Pitt), only size of your bank account can make you look handsome. Otherwise, they think of you same way as water buffalo back home...same level of intelligence and good for plowing their rice field (in this case their bank account)

Price Structure:
- $150-300 USD drink package (depends on class of alcohol).
- 3-4 million VND short time
- 500k to 1 million VND (!) Tip to girls that sit with you but don't go out
- Tip to Madam, 500k VND
- Tip to waiter, 100k VND (although more than one will come into room end of night hoping for 100k each!...just stick to your gun)

Sample Name:
166, Dmax, 13

5. VN-owned/managed KTV focusing on local middle class.
Pros:
- Transparent price structure/system
- Package usually partially inclusive (alcohol, mixer, side dishes...tips for mgmt/madam/waiter usually not included but you can ask them to add that cost to overall bill)
- Rule of Engagement with girls clear (short-time/long-time/no go-home...although there's always exception to the rule...but if girls in go-home category mean they WILL go back to hotel)
- Semi-strict system for girls (usually no butterfly)
- If you get along well with girls, you can sometimes arrange for them (at cost) to come out to see you saving you money on drink package and tips in the process.

Cons:
- Usually 1st tiers girls do not work here

Price Structure:
- $150-250 USD drink package (depends on class of alcohol...includes mixers).
- Food price usually separate and cost ALOT relative to VN
- 2 million VND short time and 3 million VND long time
- Tip to girls who don't go home but sit with you: 400-500k VND
- Tip to Madam, 400-500k VND
- Tip to waiter, 100k VND (although more than one will come into room end of night hoping for 100k each!...just stick to your gun)

Sample Name:
68

6. HK-owned/managed KTV focusing on HK/SG customers
Pros:
- You do have some mix of 1st tier VN girls work here...still not as much in term of percentage as opposed to VN joints
- Package usually partially inclusive (alcohol, mixer, side dishes...tips for mgmt/madam/waiter usually not included but you can ask them to add that cost to overall bill)

Cons:
- Best looking girls here have HIGH expectation in term of how much you pay them to fuck...hell even 2nd tier girls will try to get more from you if they think it's possible
- Most of the best girls look for sugardaddy/long-term sponsor
- Rich HK/SG visitors AND expat spoiled the market
- Rule of Engagement with girls NOT-clear (if girls say they'll meet you at after work...most likely will never show up...and mgmt could care less if you bitched to them...see below)
- Most of the madam/managers speak only Chinese well...English skill varies...don't care too much about your satisfaction unless you're regular customers that tip them regularly...

Price Structure:
- $200-300 USD drink package (depends on class of alcohol).
- 4 million VND short time
- 500k Tip to girls that sit with you but don't go out
- Tip to Madam, 500k VND
- Tip to waiter, 100k VND

Sample Name:
Catwalk

[milfmilf]

High class joint? Very spoilt