Events In CP

[Dabao]

Originally Posted by Cerberus

China is improving leaps n bounds every year.
There is no way we can reverse the trend.

Just enjoy while we can.

As consumers, we always have a choice. Too expensive then dun cheong KTV.
Can always cheong other areas.
Liquors too expensive.....order lesser or change to beers.

You have the choice.

Totally agreed .

The choice is ours , party and enjoy while we can

[logiteck]

Any bro on board on 12 June. Mind share transport ?
CA or CP is ok. Many years no go laio.

[uhoo]

Originally Posted by stridersg

Yes! What HMTL is doing now is only your aim to get more gers to come to your place. From the opening till now there have been numerous complains. I do not care what ppl say as only encounter liao then i can believe but with too many complains can only half belive half doubt. For your prices, it will be definately crazy. Anyway this maybe your marketing stradegy so i will restmy case. Unless i have too much money to spend and got nothing to do and just want t show off like most idiots in China known as "Fu Er Dai" , "Guan Er Dai", i wll choose the most reasonabe and appropriate way to cheong.

bro i agree, maybe we can cheong the more reasonable place. i personally feel no need to talk about hmtl increase price. if happy can continue to cheong there, if not then we can go other place. let market force to eventually decide the price.

i will try to find a more sustainable way to cheong in CP. i still love the CP very much for the fun and quality it bring. i aim to cheong very quarter .

enjoy while it last.

bros let gogogo!!

[ArmyouM]

HTML really too ex, gals not capable for the price asked.

[Suck Harder]

Originally Posted by fastspawn

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But my point is that the gals who were previously 3-7-10 (like in January) are 4-10-16 in HMTL. That's a 25% increase in 4 months. She wasn't tall, and really pretty but I mean at the end of the day how do HMTL make their pricing decisions?

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HMTL Strength -
1. You have one of the nicest and newest KTV FOR NOW

Weaknesses -

Some strategies not involving price

Hi there, before I get accused of being some "high powered" samsters who zap people points, I actually upped your points before. So let's skip the fact I am high powered samster.

Since you brought up something interesting to have a good discussion, please allow me to add me my 2 cents of thoughts.

I have been to all the big ktvs mentioned here in CP, to me really not much diff between Yihao, Ouya and HMTL. Hardware wise I think is also a matter of preferece, better sound system, projection TV vs normal TVs, etc. A lot been said on how HMTL is overpriced on girls and caused girl price increase, etc, so let's skip that.

Let's examine the trends of new KTV open up with my limited knowledge.

When Manhattan KTV first opened, it was the new kid in town. One of the first so call 5 star hotel in SWL area, their KTV opened before hotel even ready. They tried to push what's the real liquor in town, having their whiskeys for eg, chopped with their hotel seal to show it is the real stuff. Real or not I don't, but time shows due to economical reasons/punters can't tell diff, their liquor eventually I think same as rest of CP KTVs. Maybe HMTL can help CP KTVs to push all real liquor by having "guarantees" like other KTVs/Pubs in the bigger cities of china "假酒陪100倍", etc (sorry can't remember the exact words! )

When MF opened, it boasted of the most number of working girls and rooms in CP. Nothng really to comment since they have the loyal customer from JY days.

When Ouya first opened, it was the international KTV with the 5 star hardware to go with it. They were the first KTV to consistently raised the price of girls in CP. Many punters hated it, but eventually they have to go Ouya because they have the highest quality of gals. They establised the theory in CP higher prices can attract the chio gals.

When Yihao first opened, a lot of chaos. They tried to fight Ouya but was not successful initially. So their strategy (agents correct me if I am wrong) is to partner with agents to bring in the customers, enforced strict rules on gals like no handphone no fly kite etc. MF tried to follow suit but lack the tenacity of Yihao to enforce the fines. Add to Yihao's advantage is that business in Ouya too good so they enforce the bidding of rooms which drove the min costs up. As a result of gaining reputation as the ktv joint where girls dare not aeroplane clients and no handphone, they became the top 2 ktv and MF business very much affected by Yihao.

Now HMTL opened... they do have very good management people like Joe around. However I believe they currently do not provide something that Ouya and Yihao first opened to attract customers. Call it XXX factor!

1. Increase price of girls (they have to do that to attract the girls, mummies etc), but the result is people saying they are exp. Hell even their own people admit HMTL is exp.

2. Their hardware is comparable only to the big ktvs like Ouya and Yihao. Several bros in this forum also commented nothing diff. So hard to differentiate themselves.

3. Other KTVs like Yihao and Ouya will not be sitting ducks. Whatever HMTL throws out they will follow suit, like increase girl price, reduce girl entrance fee and even throw in some benefits like Ouya gave girls meal box before they start work! Haha. Also now Ouya requires girls to surrender their phones too...

So what can HMTL do to differentiate themselves vs the rest of the competition? I don't know and hope Joe and company can come up with something that benefits us the customers. One thing for sure, other ktvs will not be sitting ducks. Oh on that 15%, if I am not wrong it is 15% for the whole bill. A lot of times KTV discount doesn't apply to hard liquor and only applicable for the amounts above the min spending. I could be wrong.

Maybe Joe can come up with the duty free liquor free of corkerage deal like those he did in Regency.

Originally Posted by stridersg

Bro, there are quite a variety of places in SZ with gers at 369, 3710. I have been to quite a number of places with bros and the last one i went with a bro bill chrges at 1Kplus for 3+ 2dozen free. Plus manager provide 1 n half dozen and tons of snacks also DJ came up with another 6 cans.

Actually a lot of KTVs in SZ cater for the locals. Prices cheap cheap services all very good. The girls sitting fee only 200rmb (though for several hours only) and you have the option to bonk them at 100rmb more and 100rmb for room. I agree with you, China is big enough to have places to cheong for people with diff budgets.

[Acidman]

Yes, if HMTL waive corkage fee. I will surely be back to try them out again.

[draken]

Originally Posted by Cerberus

I don't choose gals who give me those "dun give a sh*t" look. i mean i can get that everyday in sg. Sg sluts who thinks they are a class above the rest.
sorry....go china ktv is to experience something diff.

yup.....good attitude.....on the bed....

sometimes i also look at those lesser average gals who got those "dun think they will get picked" look....then give a shot.....if their face lit up...hosei liao.
coz they will give their very best since seldom get picked.

or...those newbies who got that village shy shy look.....they are not dao....just very shy to look at you. can consider.

no point bring back a super chio model...then like dead fish or this cannot that cannot.

hahaha power lah bro ... we share the same sentiments..

Another of my observation is that gals of lower cat will feel inferior when they are sitting together in the room with a model cat... the positive ones will try their best to win the model cat by service and great attitiute in the ktv room, the negative ones will just drink play more games and drink more liquor ... model cat mm will also try to improve their attitude in order to be pick back to hotel... hahah at the end , customer benefit is most impt

The funny thing is that My previous OY gal was so suprise why i chose her over the model cat gal ... hahaha in fact she won me by singing lots of duets with me .. good singing turn me on .... model attitute was ok but she kelong her time too long when she went to change to her normal clothes ... thats why those clever ones wont change to their own clothes until they secure the deal ...

Originally Posted by SamiHyypia

Just my 2 cents worth of the current debate on prices, I think its not solely because of the prices there and we go over to CP for changing. We missed out on a very impt point which is the amount of girls there. As compared to changing in the local SG scene, choices are pretty much limited.

Of course when we cheong in CP, usually its 3-5 days period, we can really let our hair down and cheong. No worries of drink/drive, unnecessary calls or whatsoever. Its just Drink,Sing,Bonk.
.

SG choices really kanna sai ...

Worst ... i felt so pathetic when a sg ktv prc jio me go toilet to fk and qoute me $200 hahahha..waste my time ... the real awakening was a ktv session in Lavender 3 mths ago ... the local minahs and prcs really cmi..

My colleague apologised to me for requesting to chiong at the lavender ktv .. instead i told him i shld thank him ...he made me realise i wont waste money to chiong sg scene anymore ... hahahaha

Originally Posted by Suck Harder

3. Other KTVs like Yihao and Ouya will not be sitting ducks. Whatever HMTL throws out they will follow suit, like increase girl price, reduce girl entrance fee and even throw in some benefits like Ouya gave girls meal box before they start work! Haha. Also now Ouya requires girls to surrender their phones too...

Great analysis bro...

maybe i wasnt observant during my previous trips to OY... this time round i actually saw a small wooden box which locked the mms hps.....

[robird]

Originally Posted by zipzap69

Bro.. I thought competition is supposed to keep prices down??.. or have I misunderstood basic economics.. CP kind of high prices are sustainable only if the ktv environment/service package is there to support it. Otherwise it is not justifiable..

I think you fail your basic economics.
Demand for gals up, prices up.

[memorablez]

Indeed good analysis from our CP seinors

[jameschong1]

Originally Posted by robird

I think you fail your basic economics.
Demand for gals up, prices up.

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stupid fuckers up, price UP!

[zxcmnb]

I am alone and have room in Yihao for the next few days at 500 rmb per night (Discount given to me by a mummy there). Any bros want to share to party frugally just to choose girl can PM me.

[Dom1976]

Hi guys,

Looking for people to share transport leaving CP on 19/6 Wed nite flight.
Baoan ShenZhen Airport Tiger Airways at 2350.

Kindly PM me if interested.

Regards
DOM1976

[Cerberus]

Originally Posted by draken

SG choices really kanna sai ...

Worst ... i felt so pathetic when a sg ktv prc jio me go toilet to fk and qoute me $200 hahahha..waste my time ... the real awakening was a ktv session in Lavender 3 mths ago ... the local minahs and prcs really cmi..

My colleague apologised to me for requesting to chiong at the lavender ktv .. instead i told him i shld thank him ...he made me realise i wont waste money to chiong sg scene anymore ... hahahaha

what do you expect from a place whereby those proclaimed models are some ah lians with pre-puberty figure??
i cant believed these < 1.6m ah lians are models.

believe it or not.....i had never step foot in sg ktv in my life.
the 1st ktv i went to is the one in zhuhai.

the stocks in sg ktv cannot compare la.....even have...it is sky high cat price.
most of them are discards from china ktv.
actually even though some of these ktv gals quote you $200 for a pop....outside you can get them for $80 a pop.
becoz.....they also need to eat and pay room rental.
no fish, prawn also good...it is not everyday they get a fat robert to chop n bring back for overnight.

[fastspawn]

Originally Posted by robird

I think you fail your basic economics.
Demand for gals up, prices up.

The point is that competition in this sense means supply of KTV and number of gals increase, and there is less bros in CP nowadays hence supply up demand down

[Cerberus]

Originally Posted by fastspawn

The point is that competition in this sense means supply of KTV and number of gals increase, and there is less bros in CP nowadays hence supply up demand down

I dont know what the argument is about.....

But supply up and demand down....shouldnt prices follow suit by going down?
Maybe it is the china way of doing things.

KTVs can up prices by taking advantage but......in the long term they also lose out.