Damn fucking dirty Anti Vice world

[MeiMei5151]

Originally Posted by StealthBomber

Just a thought: if you don't admit to being offered special, but the gal (questioned separately) breaks down or say something wrong and admit that she gave you special - then siao liao!! Isn't it?? You would be caught red-handed not telling the truth. Likely to happen?

Like bro lauchiolover said below that if you or the gal is not caught in the act or she is not naked when the door opens, who in the right mind would admit it. Even if the AV officer suspects that you have done the deed if there is no evidence (e.g. used condom) and no admission, there is nothing he can do .... except try to threaten and pull a bluff on you. Even so, lying (especially to protect oneself from trouble) is not a crime or illegal - it's one person's word against another, a matter of different way of viewing things or perspectives. In the worst case scenario, what can they do if they expose you as you were lying? Cannot lie meh?

Originally Posted by lauchiolover

bro, i think what bro apache is trying to say is that some bros actually tell the AV that they were offered when the girl may or may not have. if you are just having a massage, even if the girl offers and you have said no, then just say no....some bros maybe buay zai.....

as for the girls, i think it takes two hands to clap....you think the girl, like you, also want to deny but worried that bros admit? this will take some time to change....there was a thread about this whether to admit or not to admit....cant find it....

IMHO, the above can only work if the door opens and nothing was seen, whether you have done it or going to do it wont really matter but if you were caught in the middle of the act when the door opens, then dont even bother to deny,....for one, if the girl or you deny, they will probably search for the condom you used cos they know almost all the girls will use condom and sure in the room somewhere.

just my opinion.

Agreed. That's why I emphasised that you must help the gal keep the new or used (+ foil) in your bag or pocket. They do not search customers. I always walk around carrying condoms in my bag and key pouch. (This is a really a true statement.) Anything wrong with that? " .... errr so happened I was especially horny and hard, hence to avoid being embarrassed when being massaged, I masturbated into a condom but did not had time to throw away before being called into the room." You don't believe me? Well, it;s your word against my word.

[apache]

Problem is the fxxking AV got ways to corner the customers and the gals into admiting.

HOLD your stance. If they enter and nothing is being done, do not admit.

If you have finished doing but meet the AV at the door and they stopped you, do not admit.

If you are just doing handjob better use a towel to cover, if you are doing halfway special halfway and they barge in, just cover up your didi and action stop. if you suay suay ejaculate and they charge in, then too bad, gotta admit, but just say you masturbate. they sure ask you whether got money transaction, since no money given yet, say no.

try not to do fj in the MP unless it is in early morning or late at night. Better arrange to go to hotel and do FJ. chances of the raid late at night in MP quite low as the Av are employees after all.

I am just wondering, these AV people don't scared that one day if they leave the police force, they are just like normal civilians, not scared meh? I mean most of the HC and prostitution house got some background one lor, and Singapore is so small.

I think better for them to close one eye sometimes and not overdo things. Better not be too rude when they do spot check. people got family to feed.

[apache]

I also think it is important that bros contribute their feedback in this thread to protect ourselves, give some info and tips, in this season of storm.

At least we can learn better how to protect ourselves against these fxxking AV arseholes.

[joew2005]

if these civil servants r really doing their job professionally,then it's ok.

but some of they realli hv lousy attitude.

they think tis small red dot is so world class tat every other nationality ppl r 2nd or 3rd class human.

when they go overseas,they would realise tat we r jz frog in a well.
they k act blur on wat they see overseas,but tat doesn't change the "frog in a well" mentality in their head.

[torrokey]

I see no point helping these FLs or massage girls to lie. We could get ourselves into unnecessary trouble with the law.

Best policy is to f and forget. Even they are caught and sent back, we would have better and fresher ones coming to sg

[shagger]

AV seems to be quite active these days maybe because of upcoming general election.
I was at a foot reflexology place at people's park complex on saturday and it was spot-checked by AV. they take down the ic's particulars and phone numbers of all the customers.

[MoralEpitome]

I think the less we talk about it the better....sometimes it's due to the bad publicity....of course I agree that HCs do not cause any harm and can reduce rape cases in Singapore...you see recently so many rape cases...

[kick_ass]

imo the AVs are trying to do their job so they have their bonus.
maybe 1 thing they have to change is how they handle the bros and the WLs.

bro who get caught, dont act hero, just admit it. the more u cover, the tougher their job becomes. they cant go back station empty handed. so maybe thats where their rude behavior starts.
from wat i heard, the law is kinda greyish, buying(bros) is not illegal. the seller(WLs) or i shld use the word soliciting is illegal in sg (any bros can confirm?)

[Booker]

I guess should is life here in SG lor.... Afterall, the govt is not called the biggest pai kai for nothing right.

We can only hope that they will cut some slack and allow us some form of release and playground to play.... Other than that, I guess it's just play with caution lor.
It's a game of heng sway bah.....

As for the suggestion of getting MPs to help.... Maybe if someone can psycho that CSJ to do it citing violating of human rights... maybe still got abit of hope... If not no MPs will be so noob to fight for us in this area.

[GoodTry]

interesting.... what if you have casual sex with a massager in the HC enclose room and does not involve in any money, is that a crime? And is the enclose HC room consider a public place which you may be charge with indecency act in public?
If both are not then I guess it will be really difficult for the AV to catch you screwing the massager and at the same time paying her Don't quote me, I am seriously interested to know these answer myself...
By the way, I think the AV is just trying to do their job....

[apache]

Do the AV have the right to search all our pockers, open up our wallets and pouches?

Any bro can advise on this?

I think it is against human rights, if any in Singapore.

This is not about keeping quiet. There must be some reasonable sense in what can be done and cannot be done by these AV jokers. I know they are employees, and it is their ah tao who want them to get the job done.

The massive rate, General Election is not the main reason. Look at Jalan Sultan area near the famous fishhead steamboat area, those joints open like no govt till the wee hours, yesterday night I went there to see got any massage at 2pm, they are still very active there but just too bad got no parking lot. Got connection is like that lor.

Now I know where to hunt for MP after 2pm.

[samsam33]

What, they also take down ic and phone numbers for foot reflexology place?

Originally Posted by shagger

AV seems to be quite active these days maybe because of upcoming general election.
I was at a foot reflexology place at people's park complex on saturday and it was spot-checked by AV. they take down the ic's particulars and phone numbers of all the customers.

[StealthBomber]

Originally Posted by shagger

AV seems to be quite active these days maybe because of upcoming general election.
I was at a foot reflexology place at people's park complex on saturday and it was spot-checked by AV. they take down the ic's particulars and phone numbers of all the customers.

AV more active cos election coming? Hmm... I think the voting public got more important issues that need to be solved, like high housing prices, high cost of living, etc. HC and vice is not so much a concern leh.....

[StealthBomber]

By the way I think AV also quite difficult life. Being a man, maybe they also want to try 'eat out' sometimes for variety. But cannot, becos of their job!!!

[poonani]

Originally Posted by MeiMei5151

Even so, lying (especially to protect oneself from trouble) is not a crime or illegal - it's one person's word against another, a matter of different way of viewing things or perspectives. In the worst case scenario, what can they do if they expose you as you were lying? Cannot lie meh?

Actually, lying is the worst thing that you can do.

I have a few friends that haave been caught at one time or another from Paradiz and Boulevard days to the last one at Dragon Marina.

They just showed their IC's (cards not cocks) and stated extra tips were paid. No follow up.