Some guide on rebutting FLs nonsense antics

[Tension68]

I'm no expert in FL or GL.. but I did learn some stuff from my dealings with the WLs and FLs from the flesh trade.

Let me tell u some of the norms the ladies do.. that sometimes makes the session lose steaminess, eroticness, and ultimately make ur time a loss in value for money.

Let me explain.. if rates r for SGD 100 for 60mins, and they try to hurry u during the session.. I purposely slow down.. I even tell them.. alamak, urgent.. nid to pee.. den rip out condom to go toilet.. i tell u.. this will prolong ur session.. as opposed to u pumping faster and ending the session in like 15-20 mins. Alot of PRC FLs do this.. which I reali hate!

Which is y i look out for FRs.. the mre from bros or cheongsters who haf serniority.. the better. And I also lookout for cues on how they svc. If mention on "light up on seeing a known face".. be careful.. may not take to a NEW face that well. be prepared to RTF to establish a relationship sort of bonk.

Seriously, since money is so hard to earn (i feel so), better be prepared to spend it on good svc. If gal rush u.. dun b shy to let her noe.. u r paying.. not she pay to let u fark her. Ultimately our enjoyment is wad WE r paying for. n dis is one reason y i like GL gals. most will accomodate and please u cos they wan repeat custys.. not like blurfark FLs who make u cum fast to earn quick cash.

Now.. if bros even encounter gals who switch off lights.. or dim or something of that sort.. wat do u do? Accede to their actions?

I tel u, "DON'T". U r paying.. and for men.. visual stimulation is part of our enjoyment. So I tell the gals, "y switch off lights?" if they say shy or lights too bright.. I counter, "but i like to see the action.. no see.. my dick no up or hard". some will not believe.. and i will tell them.. men r "Si (4) jue(2) dong(4) wu(4)" meaning men are visually excitable animals.

the truth is there.. we see boobs.. we get turned on.. turn off ilghts, den see wat? can u get turned on by just hearing sounds? I sure don't.

if they still persist.. I say this "u reali duno how to please men".. this will get to them.. as some will ask me back.. "will this make them more excited or.."

"of course la". I olso tell them, chances of repeat custys less if u KEEP ON offing lights.

Now.. if charges r 90 for 60mins.. and gal dun gif change when u gif 100 dollar.. do u just let it go? I don't.. I ask for change back.. but tis usually happens wif LOUSY FLs.. the good ones. smart ones will gif change.

One FL who din gif me change was so shocked I asked her for change that she sat close to me and rubbed my nipples.. as if that will make me change my mind. her svc wasn't good.. and she din let me touch here n there.. so I told her.. "gif me my change back"

in de end, she gaf the 10 dollar back to me. but said, "i tot u wud tip me".

I retorted her, "tips is I gif.. not u think n keep. if u gif me I mite gif u back.. but since u din gif me back I think ur svc n attitude is lousy"

seriously, tips r from custy.. if we happy wif their svc n attitude, y not tip them? but if svc n attitude so bad.. or jus normal.. keep the 10 dollar.. can eat at least 3 meals of 3 dollar .

Now.. i nvr go for gals wif rates described as SGD XX for 45mins, 50mins.. which is y i nvr go for thai or OKTs which advertise as such. euro gals wif such pricing put me off.. jap n korean too. Y 45, 50mins? 1 hr is 60min.. the 15min or 10min is so hard to gif? Forget it!

Lastly.. if inside shower.. n u try to touch gal.. n gal tell u to wait.. u listen? I ask, "cannot touch?" if gal still dun get my hidden msg.. i will stop all action, dress up and gif her 10 dollar n go or tell her to go. it will be the start of a LOUSY session liao. Even if on bed.. if gal dun let u touch boobs la or let u touch their pussy (touch ah.. not insert.. some dun like i can understand as some guys dun trim their nails).. I olso stop session..

in the end.. it is OUR money.. we pay.. as long as we dun whallop the gals.. or be too rough.. y cannot touch? bros n fellow cheongsters.. these r my thoughts nia.. agree den pls comment. dun agree n wan to zap, pls leave nick.. dun wori.. i wun revenge.. life too short for such trivial things.

I will post more when i haf time.

laterz

[jf66312]

Originally Posted by Tension68

I'm no expert in FL or GL.. but I did learn some stuff from my dealings with the WLs and FLs from the flesh trade.

Let me tell u some of the norms the ladies do.. that sometimes makes the session lose steaminess, eroticness, and ultimately make ur time a loss in value for money.

Let me explain.. if rates r for SGD 100 for 60mins, and they try to hurry u during the session.. I purposely slow down.. I even tell them.. alamak, urgent.. nid to pee.. den rip out condom to go toilet.. i tell u.. this will prolong ur session.. as opposed to u pumping faster and ending the session in like 15-20 mins. Alot of PRC FLs do this.. which I reali hate!

Which is y i look out for FRs.. the mre from bros or cheongsters who haf serniority.. the better. And I also lookout for cues on how they svc. If mention on "light up on seeing a known face".. be careful.. may not take to a NEW face that well. be prepared to RTF to establish a relationship sort of bonk.

Seriously, since money is so hard to earn (i feel so), better be prepared to spend it on good svc. If gal rush u.. dun b shy to let her noe.. u r paying.. not she pay to let u fark her. Ultimately our enjoyment is wad WE r paying for. n dis is one reason y i like GL gals. most will accomodate and please u cos they wan repeat custys.. not like blurfark FLs who make u cum fast to earn quick cash.

Now.. if bros even encounter gals who switch off lights.. or dim or something of that sort.. wat do u do? Accede to their actions?

I tel u, "DON'T". U r paying.. and for men.. visual stimulation is part of our enjoyment. So I tell the gals, "y switch off lights?" if they say shy or lights too bright.. I counter, "but i like to see the action.. no see.. my dick no up or hard". some will not believe.. and i will tell them.. men r "Si (4) jue(2) dong(4) wu(4)" meaning men are visually excitable animals.

the truth is there.. we see boobs.. we get turned on.. turn off ilghts, den see wat? can u get turned on by just hearing sounds? I sure don't.

if they still persist.. I say this "u reali duno how to please men".. this will get to them.. as some will ask me back.. "will this make them more excited or.."

"of course la". I olso tell them, chances of repeat custys less if u KEEP ON offing lights.

Now.. if charges r 90 for 60mins.. and gal dun gif change when u gif 100 dollar.. do u just let it go? I don't.. I ask for change back.. but tis usually happens wif LOUSY FLs.. the good ones. smart ones will gif change.

One FL who din gif me change was so shocked I asked her for change that she sat close to me and rubbed my nipples.. as if that will make me change my mind. her svc wasn't good.. and she din let me touch here n there.. so I told her.. "gif me my change back"

in de end, she gaf the 10 dollar back to me. but said, "i tot u wud tip me".

I retorted her, "tips is I gif.. not u think n keep. if u gif me I mite gif u back.. but since u din gif me back I think ur svc n attitude is lousy"

seriously, tips r from custy.. if we happy wif their svc n attitude, y not tip them? but if svc n attitude so bad.. or jus normal.. keep the 10 dollar.. can eat at least 3 meals of 3 dollar .

Now.. i nvr go for gals wif rates described as SGD XX for 45mins, 50mins.. which is y i nvr go for thai or OKTs which advertise as such. euro gals wif such pricing put me off.. jap n korean too. Y 45, 50mins? 1 hr is 60min.. the 15min or 10min is so hard to gif? Forget it!

Lastly.. if inside shower.. n u try to touch gal.. n gal tell u to wait.. u listen? I ask, "cannot touch?" if gal still dun get my hidden msg.. i will stop all action, dress up and gif her 10 dollar n go or tell her to go. it will be the start of a LOUSY session liao. Even if on bed.. if gal dun let u touch boobs la or let u touch their pussy (touch ah.. not insert.. some dun like i can understand as some guys dun trim their nails).. I olso stop session..

in the end.. it is OUR money.. we pay.. as long as we dun whallop the gals.. or be too rough.. y cannot touch? bros n fellow cheongsters.. these r my thoughts nia.. agree den pls comment. dun agree n wan to zap, pls leave nick.. dun wori.. i wun revenge.. life too short for such trivial things.

I will post more when i haf time.

laterz

well said....

[littlepok]

thanks for sharing. very well-said.

got once i take cab then the driver gek siao till midnight then press meter (i board like 11.58pm or something.) press at 12midnight make 50% more of the starting meter.

final bill like 7.90, the driver give me $2. i ask where is my 10cent. it's not the $, i just buay song give u understand? usually if i take cab, 9.50 or something i give 10 i also forget it. don't need to be fantastic service, just normal la, dont purposely slow down approaching traffic light when bright green green then yellow still can cross but e-brake. nb la think i dunno how to drive right?

or those walk 1 big round one. the $ is i earn with sweat and time, i want to spend it happily.


ok not cab driver bashing session. same idea of TS who ask for the $10 back. not stingy or what, i fully support.

upz when power regain. keep sharing

[DeeDaDee]

I do agreed with TS. If they provide a better service, we don't mind to tips or even more. Been either hard earn sweat money or easy money we earn, we want to spend willingly when we receive good service from other end. I remember once there this FL can doing sms with her phone while BJ me. NB, am I paying you to SMSing. Very TL!!!
Hope TS can share more here.

[AvgJoe]

Personally I feel if you treat the FL nice, they will reciprocate. They are just humans after all, treat them with dignity and not some whores, and you will be rewarded.

Humans have feelings and emotions. How much chemistry and gfe can you expect from a total stranger? Either its very good acting from the FL, or you get shit services. I believe in RTF as most of the times you will get better services, and some even remember what you have previously chatted about, or even your favourite positions!
But this is not recommended for bros who are weak minded and easily KC-ed

With regards to payments, I always make sure I bring the exact amount for each session, and a few more $10 in wallet as extras. If the girl is good, I will tip; if lousy, I will give exact. I've been quite lucky in my short cheong-ing career. 90% of the tipping I give, the girls will wanna return change. I'm not a big tipper, but i do believe in giving extras for good services encountered.

One more thing to add, for bros who drive, try to meet the FL directly at the hotel. DO NOT pick her up and drive to the hotels for session. Singapore is so small, and you do not want friends or relatives see you pickup girls. Plus some FLs like bros who drives, and will msg you after session too.

[wally888]

TS, thx for sharing have uppz ur rep pts!

Nowadays seldom book, but if I really keen on a FL I'll have 2 sessions. Hotel rooms normally booked by 2hours, if u finish within 30mins then u lugi 90mins! Also, 2 sessions u can take a break in-btwn and have some ice-breaking small talk with the gal then mayb 2nd part will be wonderful service

Furthermore, 2 sessions usually cheaper in terms of per shot as usually u will get some discount.

[virginlovers]

Indeed, bearing in mind WE r paying customers, we have our rights too. When i book girls be they locals or thais, i always make it a point to pay AFTER sessions regardless what they say. I don't want them to take my money first and then give shoddy service.

I once paid $600 to a certain local FL who gave me quick BJ and then laid there like a dead fish while i did FJ. No gfe at all. Worse, I can't even demand my money back since the experience was not what I had in mind! Now I am not saying she shouldn't be paid, just not the full $600 as she only did minimal work like that of PRC streetwalkers u find at GL. Just fuck and go.

Also I take issue with the rejection fee being imposed by the OKTS. $50-$100. They claim it's for the FL's time expenses coming down. But what about ours? We spent time travelling down too to bonk a pretty FL the OKT so advertised. Why cant we have the right to reject when we don't like what we see too?

[diputs1269]

Well said bt TS, this is our consumer rights It is a fair deal so we should not be short changed by their tricks. Sometimes kindness is often taken advantage as weakness. We don't demand but expect certain level of decent service. Looking forward to TS to share more here

[alanthedevil]

Originally Posted by diputs1269

Well said bt TS, this is our consumer rights

LoL. just reminded me whether we can go CASE to complain or not. is it covered under Lemon law too? haha..

Well i think, u treat others good, they will return in favour. if at the first instance u feel that girl isn't up to your expectation or value for your $, then str8 away reject and give her some taxi fees, dont waste time and effort until it is half way thru the show..

[scoobyhoo]

thanks for your nice sharing with bros here.

[Tension68]

Bro Avgjoe posted that all r humans n if we treat WLs nicely, they will reciprocate.. well.. I'm not toking abt those.

Im not a ruffian.. I dun rough up FLs or WLs.. but if even me.. gentleman can kena gals (99% FLs) who dun gif back change, dun let u touch.. ro switch off lights.. den I'm sure got other bros out there who olso kena.

let's face it.. for most of us (n i assuming la) we fcuk gal.. we olso like it if gal like our fcuking.. if she moan nice.. good facial expression (real or fake i wun noe but best is real la).. im sure we feel good too. so y wud we not treat them nice?

prob is, some FLs cme here n they want to maximise their time n earn fast bucks. if u book gal n she rush u, dun let u touch here n there.. switch off lights. answer phone during sessions.. sms while bj or wat de fark during session.. i dun think that's value for money.

I rembr BingEr, who was a GEM here b4 she left. She Off her phone during sessions, and only replied when i shot my load an resting or i went to toilet, bathe.. she even asked me for permission. Now tat's excellent svc. I tipped her so much.. she even gave me back, saying "too much.. save it to see me mre often.." Smart gal!

now.. for those who impose rejection fee.. if i kena.. I will nvr go for their svcs again. Even at GL, if u dun like a gal who came.. u no nid to pay reject fee..unless u want to gif her. n dat is one reason y i dun go escorts.. pay so much n if u dun get the svc.. wat can u do?

Ok.. for the money first gals.. I usually skip.. unless FRs so gud. N when i go, i usually ask.. "if i find ur svc no gud.. how?". I went for a few b4, and ALL were surprised by my question. I told them, i pay for svc.. if i not happy then I shud say first.. to aviod misunderstanding.

The surprising thing was, of those I tried.. almost all told me that I could pay them after session.. and those were the good ones.. svc good.. only a few gave half-hearted responses like, "i gif u discount if u not happy lor".

This is also y i SKIP those who ask for money first nowadays. Last year.. one FL came into hotel rm and asked for money first.. I told her, "here is 5 dollar for a meal.. please go." She was so shocked and asked, "wat did i do wrong?" I told her nicely, "check wif ur sisters who got good biz"

Now.. one mre thing to share.

If u find FLs who don't haf rooms... and they tell u to get rms first. make sure to tell them not to be late. Gif watever excuse u haf.. jus let it be known that they CANNOT be late. I once (very very long time ago), booked a room and called the gal to inform rm number. She was late by 35mins. and when i called her, she said traffic jam.. in taxi. I immediately told her to no nid come liao.. cos by time she arrive.. one hour plus gone how? She was so upset, started abusing me over the phone. i shouted back at her, "i told u dis morning to confirm appt at tis time.. yet u dun wan cme here to wait.. my problem isit?" and hung up, got up n left rm.

Now, my practice is.. if meet in rm.. i wait for gal to indicate she has arrived at hotel b4 i book rm. I dun wan wait inside rm for like over 10mins.. datz not wat i want to do. n i always book in advance.. like one day in advance to tell gal wat time the next day i wan to book. I find this safer for me, as when gal sms or call to ask if u in rm, u can always ask.. "u here liao?". n best to let her noe that if she late, u haf to go.. u cant wait. tis works for me.. and now those gals i book will arrive b4 i book rm.

hope dis helps.

ps - for bros who upped me, pls b patient as i clear up list.. n pls leave ur nick.. or else i duno who to up back, thnx

[Rasta Marley]

Bro Tension68, this is a good thread and I agree with your views.

Thanks for sharing with everyone your views and thoughts on this matter via this thread, and upholding the SBF spirit, which is all about sharing:-)

It's so true that we always look at the FLs issues and problems but do not really examine us cheongster related facts, which are very clearly articulated by you via vivid examples of true episodes.

Cheers!

[ReDraw]

Thanks for the tips! Noob like me always get bullied and pushed to a corner. Now I know what to do and expect!

[DegenerationX]

Nice Sharing! Support!

[jj_jj]

Originally Posted by AvgJoe

Personally I feel if you treat the FL nice, they will reciprocate. They are just humans after all, treat them with dignity and not some whores, and you will be rewarded.

Bro, the service provider must take the lead in this if she wants more repeat biz. U nice then i reciprocate but not the other way round cos customer is king

If I walked into a shop n the salesperson bo hiew me, i do a keblakang pusing.
Unless they are the only shop with the product/service then i LL, haha.

Nice thread TS! U steady poon pee pee!